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> If you create something like what Dijkstra created back in 56' (undeniable innovation), then no door will remain shut. That's the beauty of Math, CompSci, or

> If you create something like what Dijkstra created back in 56' (undeniable innovation), then no door will remain shut. That's the beauty of Math, CompSci, or STEM as a whole. Don’t get me wrong, this seems like a nice idea, I’d love to live in this world, but hasn’t it been disproven time and again throughout history? This board itself is flooded with engineers with great ideas being dismissed because of “realities of the business” or “changing priorities”, much less “political realities” etc et Al. In fact I’d say the reality is probably opposite,(as a matter of principal, obviously great ideas do eventually make it but) truly great innovative ideas are ignored, it is only the incremental ideas that don’t make anyone uncomfortable that are accepted.

qzx_pierri 4y ago
> This board itself is flooded with engineers with great ideas being dismissed because of “realities of the business” or “changing priorities”, much less “political realities” etc Your argument would be rock solid if those great ideas were only applicable/useful in huge bureaucratic organizations (which is the type of environment where bullshit ideas are given more attention than truly innovative and impactful ideas). We've all probably been there before, and I get your point 100%. However, the next step would be to go where your ideas can be heard. And if the idea is good enough, people will listen. Shouting into an org chart 10 miles deep to narcissistic C level executives has always seemed like a waste of time. So I don't disagree with you, but if you aren't being heard, speak to someone who will listen.
- mikkergp 4y ago
  > However, the next step would be to go where your ideas can be heard. And if the idea is good enough, people will listen I don't see how your point is in conflict with my point. You originally said that "no door will remain shut". Your response seems to be similar to my point is that this is not in fact true, ideas have to be marketed to the people who need them or "the right doors". It is not in fact "the best ideas that will float to the top" by some objective measure but the most relevant/politically applicable/subjectively best to the audience" ideas that will float to the top.

qzx_pierri 4y ago

> This board itself is flooded with engineers with great ideas being dismissed because of “realities of the business” or “changing priorities”, much less “political realities” etc Your argument would be rock solid if those great ideas were only applicable/useful in huge bureaucratic organizations (which is the type of environment where bullshit ideas are given more attention than truly innovative and impactful ideas). We've all probably been there before, and I get your point 100%. However, the next step would be to go where your ideas can be heard. And if the idea is good enough, people will listen. Shouting into an org chart 10 miles deep to narcissistic C level executives has always seemed like a waste of time. So I don't disagree with you, but if you aren't being heard, speak to someone who will listen.

mikkergp 4y ago
> However, the next step would be to go where your ideas can be heard. And if the idea is good enough, people will listen I don't see how your point is in conflict with my point. You originally said that "no door will remain shut". Your response seems to be similar to my point is that this is not in fact true, ideas have to be marketed to the people who need them or "the right doors". It is not in fact "the best ideas that will float to the top" by some objective measure but the most relevant/politically applicable/subjectively best to the audience" ideas that will float to the top.