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> The cars aren't the problem at this point, it's figuring out how to allow those of us who rent in dense areas to charge at home. This has stopped me from buy

> The cars aren't the problem at this point, it's figuring out how to allow those of us who rent in dense areas to charge at home. This has stopped me from buying an EV. I park on the street. homes here have no dedicated garages to install EV charger. How are they planning to solve this in a little over a decade.

smileysteve 4y ago
Near me, the gas stations and power companies are working together to install chargers. My state installed chargers at most state parks and "welcome center" rest stops, and many popular shopping centers, offices, and condo parking garages installed - as early as 2012. Nobody currently fills their gas powered cars in street parking.
- seanw444 4y ago
  And almost nobody fills up gas in their garage, either.
- deleted 4y ago
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- dominotw 4y ago
  why do people with EVs and garages install chargers in their garages then ?
  - smileysteve 4y ago
    A few reasons 1) Convenience is marketable. You couldn't do it in a gas car, you could in some natural gas programs. Plugging in at night and waking up to a full charge is luxurious. 2) While available, charger networks will be catching up until electric cars make up a significant portion of vehicles are electric. We see this with diesel where availability is less than gas. Long charging times don't help 3) it helps expand; if 50% of EV trips use existing electrical (eg charging when the ac isn't running), it reduces lines at more commercial setups. 4) Fast charging can degrade battery life in some cases?
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    In some places, the grid subsidizes it as they can then use it as demand response to make electricity cheaper for everyone. In some places, it lets you directly use your own PV production. In others it's just the extra convenience.
    - dominotw 4y ago
      > In others it's just the extra convenience. I don't agree with 'just' , 'extra' in that sentence. Noone buys an electric car ( atleast in usa) without a plan to have an in home/garage charger. I wonder if there are any stats available around this, but I if i would have to guess it has to be over 90%. 'just' isn't a justified use of that word in this context. Its complete necessity to have in inhome charger atm. closest thing i found. > 70-80% of charging occurs at home or at a workplace parking lot. > Charging occurs predominantly either at home or at work and typically overnight https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-Behavior/EV-Consumer-Behavior-Report.pdf https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-... ridiculous suggestion that people without garages need to drive to state park to charge when people with their own homes charge at home.
      - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
        Your own quotes talk about workplace charging, which for a commuter is fine. Not everyone can do it, just as not everyone can charge at home. But its totally doable.
        dominotw 4y ago
        they unfortunately didn't separate home and work. I couldn't find the source that tells us how many people buy EVs without at home charger. If its a high number 90%+ do you agree that isn't "just" a matter of convenience, that its a necessity . > But its totally doable. So according to govt, I should be traveling to state park or such over the weekends while people with homes enjoy weekend with their family at home?
        4y ago
freeone3000 4y ago
Put chargers in next to the street parking spaces? Worked pretty well here.
- dominotw 4y ago
  > Put chargers in next to the street parking spaces? Yea that would be great. Not sure if city of chicago is ready for that kind of investment over hundreds of thousands of street parking spaces. > Worked pretty well here. here?
  - freeone3000 4y ago
    Montreal.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    I thought Chicago was already cold enough to have block heater electric plugs? https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-01-06-9101020279-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-01-06-910102...
    - dominotw 4y ago
      never seen such a thing, lived here all my life. That article looks like something from before i was born.
- freedude 4y ago
  So you are paying municipal tax dollars for charging stations? That sounds like highway robbery
  - freeone3000 4y ago
    We're also paying municipal tax dollars for separated bike lanes and street trees and electric busses and all the other little things that reduce air pollution.

smileysteve 4y ago

Near me, the gas stations and power companies are working together to install chargers. My state installed chargers at most state parks and "welcome center" rest stops, and many popular shopping centers, offices, and condo parking garages installed - as early as 2012. Nobody currently fills their gas powered cars in street parking.

seanw444 4y ago
And almost nobody fills up gas in their garage, either.
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dominotw 4y ago
why do people with EVs and garages install chargers in their garages then ?
- smileysteve 4y ago
  A few reasons 1) Convenience is marketable. You couldn't do it in a gas car, you could in some natural gas programs. Plugging in at night and waking up to a full charge is luxurious. 2) While available, charger networks will be catching up until electric cars make up a significant portion of vehicles are electric. We see this with diesel where availability is less than gas. Long charging times don't help 3) it helps expand; if 50% of EV trips use existing electrical (eg charging when the ac isn't running), it reduces lines at more commercial setups. 4) Fast charging can degrade battery life in some cases?
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  In some places, the grid subsidizes it as they can then use it as demand response to make electricity cheaper for everyone. In some places, it lets you directly use your own PV production. In others it's just the extra convenience.
  - dominotw 4y ago
    > In others it's just the extra convenience. I don't agree with 'just' , 'extra' in that sentence. Noone buys an electric car ( atleast in usa) without a plan to have an in home/garage charger. I wonder if there are any stats available around this, but I if i would have to guess it has to be over 90%. 'just' isn't a justified use of that word in this context. Its complete necessity to have in inhome charger atm. closest thing i found. > 70-80% of charging occurs at home or at a workplace parking lot. > Charging occurs predominantly either at home or at work and typically overnight https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-Behavior/EV-Consumer-Behavior-Report.pdf https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-... ridiculous suggestion that people without garages need to drive to state park to charge when people with their own homes charge at home.
    - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
      Your own quotes talk about workplace charging, which for a commuter is fine. Not everyone can do it, just as not everyone can charge at home. But its totally doable.
      - dominotw 4y ago
        they unfortunately didn't separate home and work. I couldn't find the source that tells us how many people buy EVs without at home charger. If its a high number 90%+ do you agree that isn't "just" a matter of convenience, that its a necessity . > But its totally doable. So according to govt, I should be traveling to state park or such over the weekends while people with homes enjoy weekend with their family at home?
        4y ago

freeone3000 4y ago

Put chargers in next to the street parking spaces? Worked pretty well here.

dominotw 4y ago
> Put chargers in next to the street parking spaces? Yea that would be great. Not sure if city of chicago is ready for that kind of investment over hundreds of thousands of street parking spaces. > Worked pretty well here. here?
- freeone3000 4y ago
  Montreal.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  I thought Chicago was already cold enough to have block heater electric plugs? https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-01-06-9101020279-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-01-06-910102...
  - dominotw 4y ago
    never seen such a thing, lived here all my life. That article looks like something from before i was born.
freedude 4y ago
So you are paying municipal tax dollars for charging stations? That sounds like highway robbery
- freeone3000 4y ago
  We're also paying municipal tax dollars for separated bike lanes and street trees and electric busses and all the other little things that reduce air pollution.