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> are there any other car manufacturer that provide descent autonomy beyond tesla at the moment ? GM SuperCruise and Ford BlueCruise are generally regarded to
by wolrah 4y ago
> are there any other car manufacturer that provide descent autonomy beyond tesla at the moment ?
GM SuperCruise and Ford BlueCruise are generally regarded to be better at actually driving than Tesla's cameras-only approach. They are geofenced to only work on properly mapped highways instead of just letting any idiot YOLO it and claim they're "testing" so they don't get as much attention but they also haven't killed multiple people in the process.
Tesla has a Level 2 ADAS system just like everyone else, they just market it as more than it actually is.
Mercedes is about to launch a Level 3 system where they actually take liability when the computer is in control. They will be the first to do so.
> 2035 seems awfully close looking at the quality of current models available..
Curious what you mean by this, there are currently a decent selection of EVs from a variety of manufacturers that all match the level of quality you'd expect from the brand. The main limitations for wider availability and use are the still developing public charging infrastructure and the same cost/supply chain issues affecting basically all cars, ICE or EV.
The cars aren't the problem at this point, it's figuring out how to allow those of us who rent in dense areas to charge at home. Solve that and you're left with just the long distance road trippers and trailer towers actually needing to burn fuel.
- dominotw 4y ago> The cars aren't the problem at this point, it's figuring out how to allow those of us who rent in dense areas to charge at home. This has stopped me from buying an EV. I park on the street. homes here have no dedicated garages to install EV charger. How are they planning to solve this in a little over a decade.
- smileysteve 4y agoNear me, the gas stations and power companies are working together to install chargers. My state installed chargers at most state parks and "welcome center" rest stops, and many popular shopping centers, offices, and condo parking garages installed - as early as 2012. Nobody currently fills their gas powered cars in street parking.
- seanw444 4y agoAnd almost nobody fills up gas in their garage, either.
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- dominotw 4y agowhy do people with EVs and garages install chargers in their garages then ?
- smileysteve 4y agoA few reasons 1) Convenience is marketable. You couldn't do it in a gas car, you could in some natural gas programs. Plugging in at night and waking up to a full charge is luxurious. 2) While available, charger networks will be catching up until electric cars make up a significant portion of vehicles are electric. We see this with diesel where availability is less than gas. Long charging times don't help 3) it helps expand; if 50% of EV trips use existing electrical (eg charging when the ac isn't running), it reduces lines at more commercial setups. 4) Fast charging can degrade battery life in some cases?
- ZeroGravitas 4y agoIn some places, the grid subsidizes it as they can then use it as demand response to make electricity cheaper for everyone. In some places, it lets you directly use your own PV production. In others it's just the extra convenience.
- dominotw 4y ago> In others it's just the extra convenience. I don't agree with 'just' , 'extra' in that sentence. Noone buys an electric car ( atleast in usa) without a plan to have an in home/garage charger. I wonder if there are any stats available around this, but I if i would have to guess it has to be over 90%. 'just' isn't a justified use of that word in this context. Its complete necessity to have in inhome charger atm. closest thing i found. > 70-80% of charging occurs at home or at a workplace parking lot. > Charging occurs predominantly either at home or at work and typically overnight https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-Behavior/EV-Consumer-Behavior-Report.pdf https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-... ridiculous suggestion that people without garages need to drive to state park to charge when people with their own homes charge at home.
- freeone3000 4y agoPut chargers in next to the street parking spaces? Worked pretty well here.
- dominotw 4y ago> Put chargers in next to the street parking spaces? Yea that would be great. Not sure if city of chicago is ready for that kind of investment over hundreds of thousands of street parking spaces. > Worked pretty well here. here?
- freeone3000 4y agoMontreal.
- ZeroGravitas 4y agoI thought Chicago was already cold enough to have block heater electric plugs? https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-01-06-9101020279-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-01-06-910102...
- dominotw 4y agonever seen such a thing, lived here all my life. That article looks like something from before i was born.
- freedude 4y agoSo you are paying municipal tax dollars for charging stations? That sounds like highway robbery
- freeone3000 4y agoWe're also paying municipal tax dollars for separated bike lanes and street trees and electric busses and all the other little things that reduce air pollution.