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So atheists have no place in Texas, or USA generally speaking, given modern motto "In God we trust"? Abortion, vote restrictions, teachers can lead their studen

So atheists have no place in Texas, or USA generally speaking, given modern motto "In God we trust"? Abortion, vote restrictions, teachers can lead their students in prayer, religious motto... USA is everyday more similar to Iran. Change my mind.

gadders 4y ago
>>USA is everyday more similar to Iran AFAIK the USA isn't hanging gay people from cranes or forcing gay people to change gender. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/rights-group-iran-executes-gay-men-sodomy-charges-82595118 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/rights-group-... https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/04/04/why-iran-is-a-hub-for-sex-reassignment-surgery https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/04/04/... Mind changed yet?
- bovermyer 4y ago
  Uh, you picked a really bad example. There are plenty of instances in the not-too-distant-past of gay people being assaulted in the USA. And "everyday more similar" is a progression, not an equivalence. A vector, not a single number. I would not put it past the Southern states to enact laws making it difficult or dangerous to be "out" as gay.
  - kevingadd 4y ago
    There are still laws making it illegal to have gay sex on the books in parts of the US, they just aren't usually being enforced. They could start enforcing them any time they want. They're not constitutional, but that hasn't stopped states from doing lots of other unconstitutional things while people sued to block them. Once those suits go to the supreme court, the modern set of judges might validate those laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Stat... In some cases these laws also criminalize some forms of heterosexual intercourse, as a fun little example of how discriminatory laws targeting the minority can often be repurposed to punish members of the majority who step out of line.
  - mrex 4y ago
    This seems like a bad comparison. Hanging from cranes isn't a form of criminal assault that some people experience, as "being assaulted in the USA" is. It's a form of standardized systematic judicial punishment of gay people in Iran. Not quite the same thing.
  - gadders 4y ago
    I think you are confused between "random bigots bullying people" and "an actual law passed by the government". Also, you know this exists, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans
- trilbyglens 4y ago
  Have you not followed the abortion, trans-rights, or gay marriage dramas that are unfolding before our very eyes? The christian right would love nothing more than to make it illegal to be gay again. As a matter of fact, many also want to make getting an abortion a capital crime. So yes, it's definitely trending in the direction of Saudi Arabia and Iran, it's just that they don't _yet_ have the power to force these laws on the population. Yet, being the key word.
bmitc 4y ago
> USA is everyday more similar to Iran. Change my mind. The thing is, you are right. Extremists have been winning more and more power.
- albertopv 4y ago
  See [1]. Basically SCOTUS member is "uncostitutional", she believes men and women are not equals. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/26/amy-coney-barrett-faith-group-people-of-praise https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/26/amy-coney-ba....
  - threatofrain 4y ago
    Note that the idea of a man at the head of the household or church is not a fringe idea.
weberer 4y ago
Why would you compare Texas to Iran, and not Mexico where most of this Catholic immigration is coming from?
mgoldstein5 4y ago
- drpyser22 4y ago
  > people that believe differently from me and the majority, and their religious freedom, are not relevant to me and my idea of a functioning society Fixed that bigotry for you.

gadders 4y ago

>>USA is everyday more similar to Iran AFAIK the USA isn't hanging gay people from cranes or forcing gay people to change gender. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/rights-group-iran-executes-gay-men-sodomy-charges-82595118 https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/rights-group-... https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/04/04/why-iran-is-a-hub-for-sex-reassignment-surgery https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/04/04/... Mind changed yet?

bovermyer 4y ago
Uh, you picked a really bad example. There are plenty of instances in the not-too-distant-past of gay people being assaulted in the USA. And "everyday more similar" is a progression, not an equivalence. A vector, not a single number. I would not put it past the Southern states to enact laws making it difficult or dangerous to be "out" as gay.
- kevingadd 4y ago
  There are still laws making it illegal to have gay sex on the books in parts of the US, they just aren't usually being enforced. They could start enforcing them any time they want. They're not constitutional, but that hasn't stopped states from doing lots of other unconstitutional things while people sued to block them. Once those suits go to the supreme court, the modern set of judges might validate those laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Stat... In some cases these laws also criminalize some forms of heterosexual intercourse, as a fun little example of how discriminatory laws targeting the minority can often be repurposed to punish members of the majority who step out of line.
- mrex 4y ago
  This seems like a bad comparison. Hanging from cranes isn't a form of criminal assault that some people experience, as "being assaulted in the USA" is. It's a form of standardized systematic judicial punishment of gay people in Iran. Not quite the same thing.
- gadders 4y ago
  I think you are confused between "random bigots bullying people" and "an actual law passed by the government". Also, you know this exists, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans
trilbyglens 4y ago
Have you not followed the abortion, trans-rights, or gay marriage dramas that are unfolding before our very eyes? The christian right would love nothing more than to make it illegal to be gay again. As a matter of fact, many also want to make getting an abortion a capital crime. So yes, it's definitely trending in the direction of Saudi Arabia and Iran, it's just that they don't _yet_ have the power to force these laws on the population. Yet, being the key word.

bmitc 4y ago

> USA is everyday more similar to Iran. Change my mind. The thing is, you are right. Extremists have been winning more and more power.

albertopv 4y ago
See [1]. Basically SCOTUS member is "uncostitutional", she believes men and women are not equals. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/26/amy-coney-barrett-faith-group-people-of-praise https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/26/amy-coney-ba....
- threatofrain 4y ago
  Note that the idea of a man at the head of the household or church is not a fringe idea.

weberer 4y ago

Why would you compare Texas to Iran, and not Mexico where most of this Catholic immigration is coming from?

mgoldstein5 4y ago

drpyser22 4y ago
> people that believe differently from me and the majority, and their religious freedom, are not relevant to me and my idea of a functioning society Fixed that bigotry for you.