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>over a few down votes?! That was an observation of mine. Perl fanboys are generally not capable of having a dispassionate discussion about perl's faults. >T

by danssig 15y ago

>over a few down votes?! That was an observation of mine. Perl fanboys are generally not capable of having a dispassionate discussion about perl's faults. >That is a personal attack, without any data, on Perl fans in general. Fan = Fanboy. It is a programming language. Being a "fan" of a tool is irrational. One should use the tool that works best (for some definition of best) and when that tool is no longer the best one should switch. Being a "fan" means to follow something even when it's not the best (e.g. Dallas Cowboys fan, even when they hadn't won a game in years). This is an utterly irrational stance for a tool. By the way, the person who has been issuing the personal attacks here is you with your "go away" and troll accusations. I hope in time you can learn to be more civil in your discussions.

berntb 15y ago
I got slammed by pg himself a while ago for being easily trolled, so I'll stop commenting.
- danssig 15y ago
  Link? I'd say your ID is too big (pg has an essay on it). If you say Lisp is crap, I'm not going to be offended even though I think it's a great language. It's something I use, it isn't part of who I am.
  - berntb 15y ago
    http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836920 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836920 (Why the Hell am I proving things to trolls? :-( ) Edit: And btw, I even irritated pg by arguing with a troll that was arguing quite similar things as danssig, too... :-)
    - danssig 15y ago
      Thanks for providing the link. Having seen it, I can't help but say: lol! You took that one sentance to mean pg was upset that you were arguing with trolls? It looks to me like he thought you were trolling! All kinds of other people were still talking to the person you accuse of being a troll but only you got singled out and asked to stop. None of them and not even the alleged troll. And again it was about perl. I think you seriously need to ask yourself why you're so incredibly sensitive about this subject. No one is criticizing you nor your family. Just a tool that has no feelings or emotions.
      - berntb 15y ago
        >>All kinds of other people were still talking to the person you accuse of being a troll You are a liar. Here is his account. It is at Karma -10 and it wasn't used after that troll session. http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=derrickpetzold http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=derrickpetzold He was posting slams of about your level. ("in other words run the f away from Perl if you can unless you are into S&M"). And so on. >>And again it was about perl. It is something I use a lot, even for fun. You don't like Perl (not "perl") and write 10-20% of comments in discussions about it. So you're just bullshitting here, as trolls do. And you got another comment out of me... :-(
        danssig 15y ago
        >You are a liar. Here is his account. It is at Karma -10 and it wasn't used after that troll session. Oh my, it seems I've hit a nerve for some reason. In the post where pg called you specially out to stop, other people responded to the "troll". I wonder why it was only you who got singled out. Further, you're assuming the guy was just a troll. Maybe he came on here, saw that even though this was supposed to be a more sophisticated crowd, there was a lot of perl support here, had one big fight and then decided it wasn't worth his time to bother. >He was posting slams of about your level. More misrepresentation from you. Most of his "slams" were a bit over the top, where as I'm just stating facts with less hyperbole than he had. >You don't like Perl (not "perl") and write 10-20% of comments in discussions about it. I used perl professional for a torturous 5 years. The internet made the correct decision to move away and I'm not going to stand by and let people use propaganda to bring it back. If you people want to keep on using it, go ahead, but stop dragging new programmers down your career dead-end. >So you're just bullshitting here, as trolls do. And you got another comment out of me... :-( The lady doth protest too much, methinks (I really love that one!). I'm having a conversation here. You're constantly screaming "troll! troll!" because you have no useful counter-arguments.
        chromatic 15y ago
        even though this was supposed to be a more sophisticated crowd, there was a lot of perl support here I used perl professional for a torturous 5 years. The internet made the correct decision to move away stop dragging new programmers down your career dead-end. I think this is the kind of talk to which reasonable people might object.

by danssig 15y ago

berntb 15y ago

I got slammed by pg himself a while ago for being easily trolled, so I'll stop commenting.

danssig 15y ago
Link? I'd say your ID is too big (pg has an essay on it). If you say Lisp is crap, I'm not going to be offended even though I think it's a great language. It's something I use, it isn't part of who I am.
- berntb 15y ago
  http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836920 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2836920 (Why the Hell am I proving things to trolls? :-( ) Edit: And btw, I even irritated pg by arguing with a troll that was arguing quite similar things as danssig, too... :-)
  - danssig 15y ago
    Thanks for providing the link. Having seen it, I can't help but say: lol! You took that one sentance to mean pg was upset that you were arguing with trolls? It looks to me like he thought you were trolling! All kinds of other people were still talking to the person you accuse of being a troll but only you got singled out and asked to stop. None of them and not even the alleged troll. And again it was about perl. I think you seriously need to ask yourself why you're so incredibly sensitive about this subject. No one is criticizing you nor your family. Just a tool that has no feelings or emotions.
    - berntb 15y ago
      >>All kinds of other people were still talking to the person you accuse of being a troll You are a liar. Here is his account. It is at Karma -10 and it wasn't used after that troll session. http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=derrickpetzold http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=derrickpetzold He was posting slams of about your level. ("in other words run the f away from Perl if you can unless you are into S&M"). And so on. >>And again it was about perl. It is something I use a lot, even for fun. You don't like Perl (not "perl") and write 10-20% of comments in discussions about it. So you're just bullshitting here, as trolls do. And you got another comment out of me... :-(
      - danssig 15y ago
        >You are a liar. Here is his account. It is at Karma -10 and it wasn't used after that troll session. Oh my, it seems I've hit a nerve for some reason. In the post where pg called you specially out to stop, other people responded to the "troll". I wonder why it was only you who got singled out. Further, you're assuming the guy was just a troll. Maybe he came on here, saw that even though this was supposed to be a more sophisticated crowd, there was a lot of perl support here, had one big fight and then decided it wasn't worth his time to bother. >He was posting slams of about your level. More misrepresentation from you. Most of his "slams" were a bit over the top, where as I'm just stating facts with less hyperbole than he had. >You don't like Perl (not "perl") and write 10-20% of comments in discussions about it. I used perl professional for a torturous 5 years. The internet made the correct decision to move away and I'm not going to stand by and let people use propaganda to bring it back. If you people want to keep on using it, go ahead, but stop dragging new programmers down your career dead-end. >So you're just bullshitting here, as trolls do. And you got another comment out of me... :-( The lady doth protest too much, methinks (I really love that one!). I'm having a conversation here. You're constantly screaming "troll! troll!" because you have no useful counter-arguments.
        chromatic 15y ago
        even though this was supposed to be a more sophisticated crowd, there was a lot of perl support here I used perl professional for a torturous 5 years. The internet made the correct decision to move away stop dragging new programmers down your career dead-end. I think this is the kind of talk to which reasonable people might object.