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> they don't have public pressure against it There _is_ public pressure against nuclear, but it's at 50/50 vs support for nuclear. It has become a mostly parti

> they don't have public pressure against it There _is_ public pressure against nuclear, but it's at 50/50 vs support for nuclear. It has become a mostly partisan topic. > We are not far away from a new Fukushima, but this time in Europe. Except we technically _already_ had "Fukushima in Europe" 40 years ago, and for most people, life just went on. I agree that if anything goes bad a the Ukrainian plant (FSM forbids), the politicians who have been pro-nuclear in the past few years will have a hard time keeping face, and the sentiments would change, and the experts would spent some unconfortable interviews. However, I can not blame government for being even more scared at Union-wide blackouts than at a local incident at a plant. The latter is horrible, and puts you at the mercy of winds, but _has been managed in the past_. The former gives me worst nightmares (than the other scenario that also gives me nightmares.) Let's all remember it made _sense_ to live in Pompei in 79.

lispm 4y ago
> but it's at 50/50 vs support for nuclear where is the pressure in France against nuclear? I can remember civil war like situations at construction sites in Germany years ago. A political movement that spawned a new party which now is, again, in a ruling coalition.
- phtrivier 4y ago
  In the French version of the same party (EELV), as well as in at least one of its main "coalition" partner (LFI). In the left-wing press in general (Liberation, Le Monde and Le Canard Enchaîné are _patently_ antinuke). In the minds of french people, also, who are very ambivalent about the topic (as measured by... The nuclear industry itself [1]) In regular demonstrations against the Bure waste disposal project, and In general snarkiness about the nuclear plants producing exactly as much current during maintenance as solar panels during the night. Now, to be fair, this split is more 30% against, 30% for, and 30 % "does not care and is happy to have relatively cheap electricity and no major incident for the last 60 years". The side that is mostly against nuclear is also very good at _not_ winning elections. Far right could very much have decided to go antinuke too, but for some reason they decided being anti wind was a better bet. The rest of the country is in this weird middle stage were it's not popular to be pro nuke if you want to score with girls at parties, but you'll kinda be anyway. [1] https://www.bva-group.com/sondages/francais-nucleaire-sondage-bva-orano/ https://www.bva-group.com/sondages/francais-nucleaire-sondag...
  - lispm 4y ago
    > is happy to believe to have relatively cheap electricity FTFY

lispm 4y ago

> but it's at 50/50 vs support for nuclear where is the pressure in France against nuclear? I can remember civil war like situations at construction sites in Germany years ago. A political movement that spawned a new party which now is, again, in a ruling coalition.

phtrivier 4y ago
In the French version of the same party (EELV), as well as in at least one of its main "coalition" partner (LFI). In the left-wing press in general (Liberation, Le Monde and Le Canard Enchaîné are _patently_ antinuke). In the minds of french people, also, who are very ambivalent about the topic (as measured by... The nuclear industry itself [1]) In regular demonstrations against the Bure waste disposal project, and In general snarkiness about the nuclear plants producing exactly as much current during maintenance as solar panels during the night. Now, to be fair, this split is more 30% against, 30% for, and 30 % "does not care and is happy to have relatively cheap electricity and no major incident for the last 60 years". The side that is mostly against nuclear is also very good at _not_ winning elections. Far right could very much have decided to go antinuke too, but for some reason they decided being anti wind was a better bet. The rest of the country is in this weird middle stage were it's not popular to be pro nuke if you want to score with girls at parties, but you'll kinda be anyway. [1] https://www.bva-group.com/sondages/francais-nucleaire-sondage-bva-orano/ https://www.bva-group.com/sondages/francais-nucleaire-sondag...
- lispm 4y ago
  > is happy to believe to have relatively cheap electricity FTFY