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> All bets are on centralized and/or proprietary ones that can afford to pay for the privilege Or not. App like Silence (https://silence.im/ https://silence.i

by adev_ 4y ago

> All bets are on centralized and/or proprietary ones that can afford to pay for the privilege Or not. App like Silence (https://silence.im/ https://silence.im/) have been able to do secure e2e messaging using SMS as transport layer for almost one decade now.

lrvick 4y ago
SMS makes it very hard to be anonymous. Not a good option IMO.
- adev_ 4y ago
  > SMS makes it very hard to be anonymous. Not a good option IMO. How is that even related ? Silence is the equivalent of Signal over SMS instead of the usual Mobile Data: There is nothing by design in Signal to stay anonymous. E2E encryption are mainly there to prevent eyes dropping, not to provide anonymity.
  - lrvick 4y ago
    I was simply pointing out Starlink supporting SMS is not good enough, even with layers like Silence on top.
    - crangos 4y ago
      A major use case is in emergency situations or catastrophes when no classical cell service is available. If you are hoping to message someone to rescue you, I don't think anonymity is your concern.
      - lrvick 4y ago
        Unless you are a journalist or a dissident and need to relay information that will save human lives, but cannot risk exposing your identity, location, or the message content to anyone but the recipients. Not all emergencies are the same.
    - Sporktacular 4y ago
      Good enough for what? If you have SMS where you didn't before you're still equally free to not use it. Personally I like the idea of always having a simple channel for emergencies.
      - lrvick 4y ago
        Not good enough to be the only standard form of communication permitted other than a handful of centralized proprietary apps. A journalist or a dissident may wish to get critical communications out from a remote area without exposing their identity or location.
        v0idzer0 4y ago
        Whose goal is to solve this? Not T-Mobile or SpaceX
        lrvick 4y ago
        When you are the only source of a critical service in an area, you become a utility and should shoulder the responsibilities that come with that.
        Sporktacular 4y ago
        They don't have a responsibility to help you stay anonymous if they don't promise it. Follow your logic and we wouldn't have remote schooling or medical services over HF radio either. It extends the capabilities of normal phones to provide a feature we didn't have before, so you can't expect the capabilities of full fat, dedicated hardware. It's better than nothing, so why complain? You want net neutrality for a non-Internet service?
        Sporktacular 4y ago
        Then this isn't the solution for them. You keep assuming this is an internet service when it's not. Internet protocols are massively inefficient and have latency constraints that would choke narrow channels while offering almost no utility. This will be a modified SMS service, not a not an IRC service. Don't like it? Go buy an actual satphone with a data plan.

by adev_ 4y ago

lrvick 4y ago

SMS makes it very hard to be anonymous. Not a good option IMO.

adev_ 4y ago
> SMS makes it very hard to be anonymous. Not a good option IMO. How is that even related ? Silence is the equivalent of Signal over SMS instead of the usual Mobile Data: There is nothing by design in Signal to stay anonymous. E2E encryption are mainly there to prevent eyes dropping, not to provide anonymity.
- lrvick 4y ago
  I was simply pointing out Starlink supporting SMS is not good enough, even with layers like Silence on top.
  - crangos 4y ago
    A major use case is in emergency situations or catastrophes when no classical cell service is available. If you are hoping to message someone to rescue you, I don't think anonymity is your concern.
    - lrvick 4y ago
      Unless you are a journalist or a dissident and need to relay information that will save human lives, but cannot risk exposing your identity, location, or the message content to anyone but the recipients. Not all emergencies are the same.
  - Sporktacular 4y ago
    Good enough for what? If you have SMS where you didn't before you're still equally free to not use it. Personally I like the idea of always having a simple channel for emergencies.
    - lrvick 4y ago
      Not good enough to be the only standard form of communication permitted other than a handful of centralized proprietary apps. A journalist or a dissident may wish to get critical communications out from a remote area without exposing their identity or location.
      - v0idzer0 4y ago
        Whose goal is to solve this? Not T-Mobile or SpaceX
        lrvick 4y ago
        When you are the only source of a critical service in an area, you become a utility and should shoulder the responsibilities that come with that.
        Sporktacular 4y ago
        They don't have a responsibility to help you stay anonymous if they don't promise it. Follow your logic and we wouldn't have remote schooling or medical services over HF radio either. It extends the capabilities of normal phones to provide a feature we didn't have before, so you can't expect the capabilities of full fat, dedicated hardware. It's better than nothing, so why complain? You want net neutrality for a non-Internet service?
      - Sporktacular 4y ago
        Then this isn't the solution for them. You keep assuming this is an internet service when it's not. Internet protocols are massively inefficient and have latency constraints that would choke narrow channels while offering almost no utility. This will be a modified SMS service, not a not an IRC service. Don't like it? Go buy an actual satphone with a data plan.