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This will mean more tests in proctored test centers like Pearson VUE. Many students and professionals taking tests cheat casually and without embarrassment: It

This will mean more tests in proctored test centers like Pearson VUE. Many students and professionals taking tests cheat casually and without embarrassment: It is seen as simply an efficient way to maximize grades.

titoCA321 4y ago
Yes, lots of testing at Pearson VUE. Many State Licensing certificates and IT certification testing is conducted at Pearson Vue. Military and government agencies also do applicant testing at Pearson VUE. Candidates seeking to apply to Secret Service show up for Pearson VUE testing center, along with military recruits and folks needing to update Cisco certificates and college students that need to take a test here or there.
- blitzar 4y ago
  > Pearson VUE I was so happy when the pandemic hit and the second part of a qualification I was doing could be remotely proctered - everyone from professionals to crack addicts were taking tests of some sort at the same time at the test centre. My concentration broke when the crack addict picked up the monitor and smashed it on the ground and stormed out, im not sure it they were doing a Cisco qualification or a driving test, but I dont think it was going well.
  - wikfwikf 4y ago
    How did you know the person was addicted to crack?
    - klabb3 4y ago
      Guess who sold him the crack.
    - bittercynic 4y ago
      Not the person you're replying to, but... Of course there are other reasons they might act that way, but "crack addict" is a sometimes just shorthand for a person who's acting and looking a certain way.
      - Integrape 4y ago
        Could've been a jenkem connoisseur, but still apparently having a bad day.
deepdriver 4y ago
I see this as a good thing. If you can self-learn remotely at your own pace and then show up once for a brief proctored (and by extension trusted) exam, it’s still far cheaper and much more accessible than the traditional college or high school alternative.
pksebben 4y ago
one sort of wonders what the value in standardized testing is, in a world with such easy access to information.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  None at all any more, but it would force everyone to a revolutionary project of re-thinking half of how our societies work - and there are a lot of people with deep pockets and heavy interest in keeping the status quo.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  There are two main purposes: 1. You can't look for information if you don't know it exists. 2. Most standardized tests aren't used in the expectation that the testee's knowledge will matter in the future. Instead, the idea is that people who score higher will be generally more competent at whatever it is you want them to do.
  - pksebben 4y ago
    >2. Most standardized tests aren't used in the expectation that the testee's knowledge will matter in the future. Instead, the idea is that people who score higher will be generally more competent at whatever it is you want them to do. I fail to see how information retention maps to skill in this case. I guess it could be a vague indicator of the amount of practice done, but some folks memorize so easily, it makes this system incredibly easy to game.
    - thaumasiotes 4y ago
      > I fail to see how information retention maps to skill in this case. It doesn't really matter if you understand why it works; the facts are what they are.
    - newbie2020 4y ago
      From my experience, people who score extremely well on standardized tests do amazingly well in professional/knowledge-based fields. Of the top scorers in my high school class, many are not just doctors, lawyers, engineers, and business-people… but they are _top_ doctors, lawyers, engineers, and business-people. When I hear about those students through the vine, it is like “of course they’re successful - I would be surprised if they weren’t” sort of feeling.
paskozdilar 4y ago
Hopefully this will successfully separate learning from certification, which will prevent learners from being punished because of cheaters.
Hamuko 4y ago
Last time I had to take a certification test, I chose the test center over doing it remotely since I didn't want to install whatever spyware they wanted me to install on my work laptop.

titoCA321 4y ago

Yes, lots of testing at Pearson VUE. Many State Licensing certificates and IT certification testing is conducted at Pearson Vue. Military and government agencies also do applicant testing at Pearson VUE. Candidates seeking to apply to Secret Service show up for Pearson VUE testing center, along with military recruits and folks needing to update Cisco certificates and college students that need to take a test here or there.

blitzar 4y ago
> Pearson VUE I was so happy when the pandemic hit and the second part of a qualification I was doing could be remotely proctered - everyone from professionals to crack addicts were taking tests of some sort at the same time at the test centre. My concentration broke when the crack addict picked up the monitor and smashed it on the ground and stormed out, im not sure it they were doing a Cisco qualification or a driving test, but I dont think it was going well.
- wikfwikf 4y ago
  How did you know the person was addicted to crack?
  - klabb3 4y ago
    Guess who sold him the crack.
  - bittercynic 4y ago
    Not the person you're replying to, but... Of course there are other reasons they might act that way, but "crack addict" is a sometimes just shorthand for a person who's acting and looking a certain way.
    - Integrape 4y ago
      Could've been a jenkem connoisseur, but still apparently having a bad day.

deepdriver 4y ago

I see this as a good thing. If you can self-learn remotely at your own pace and then show up once for a brief proctored (and by extension trusted) exam, it’s still far cheaper and much more accessible than the traditional college or high school alternative.

pksebben 4y ago

one sort of wonders what the value in standardized testing is, in a world with such easy access to information.

mschuster91 4y ago
None at all any more, but it would force everyone to a revolutionary project of re-thinking half of how our societies work - and there are a lot of people with deep pockets and heavy interest in keeping the status quo.
thaumasiotes 4y ago
There are two main purposes: 1. You can't look for information if you don't know it exists. 2. Most standardized tests aren't used in the expectation that the testee's knowledge will matter in the future. Instead, the idea is that people who score higher will be generally more competent at whatever it is you want them to do.
- pksebben 4y ago
  >2. Most standardized tests aren't used in the expectation that the testee's knowledge will matter in the future. Instead, the idea is that people who score higher will be generally more competent at whatever it is you want them to do. I fail to see how information retention maps to skill in this case. I guess it could be a vague indicator of the amount of practice done, but some folks memorize so easily, it makes this system incredibly easy to game.
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    > I fail to see how information retention maps to skill in this case. It doesn't really matter if you understand why it works; the facts are what they are.
  - newbie2020 4y ago
    From my experience, people who score extremely well on standardized tests do amazingly well in professional/knowledge-based fields. Of the top scorers in my high school class, many are not just doctors, lawyers, engineers, and business-people… but they are _top_ doctors, lawyers, engineers, and business-people. When I hear about those students through the vine, it is like “of course they’re successful - I would be surprised if they weren’t” sort of feeling.

paskozdilar 4y ago

Hopefully this will successfully separate learning from certification, which will prevent learners from being punished because of cheaters.

Hamuko 4y ago

Last time I had to take a certification test, I chose the test center over doing it remotely since I didn't want to install whatever spyware they wanted me to install on my work laptop.