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You've been able to take online classes for decades, why is this suddenly a problem? Moreover, if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardl

by smabie 4y ago

You've been able to take online classes for decades, why is this suddenly a problem? Moreover, if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any countermeasures you deploy.

thrdbndndn 4y ago
>which [why?] is this suddenly a problem? Because most of teachers didn't teach online class before. They are not used to design exams that would not be way too easy it suddenly becomes open book. I won't even say they're "lazy", coming up good take-home exams is super hard, especially when you spend your entire career not need to do that. > if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any countermeasures you deploy. I agree if it's online exam, it's kinda doomed either way. But it's more to act as a deterrent than total solution. And it does work to some "less-adventurous" students. Note: above is just directly replying to your questions. I don't support scanning student's room.
- titoCA321 4y ago
  Come on now, some of the college instructors weren't even teaching the offline classes. 200 students in a lecture hall and some random TA grading and assigning the tests. Do you honesty believe the TA knows each and ever student and that someone else didn't show up on exam day?!
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  - PeterStuer 4y ago
    At every university that l took exams photo id was required to sit the exam.
    - swores 4y ago
      I'd guess that people who are willing and able to afford hiring someone to cheat for them in an exam, can probably also order a fake ID with their name and the photo of their exam-taker. Though maybe an extra step of storing a copy of the ID with the exam entry and having a professor who knows them verify that it matches the real student would catch most of that...
    - cguess 4y ago
      Where? In the US I've never had to do so.
      - PeterStuer 4y ago
        Not in the US. EU.
geek_at 4y ago
> if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any countermeasures you deploy I was a Academic highschool teacher for 8 years and I agree with your statement but also don't think that we should make it too easy for them. At minimum a screen recorder so the students know even if they were not caught during the exam, they could later be caught Bonus anecdote When the first bluetooth phones hit the market we had students use their (pseudo) smart phones (that looked like expensive calculators with greyscale displays back then) to send each other the solutions during the physics exam. No teacher at the time had this as a threat model
- trashtester 4y ago
  At some point, when a student find a truly novel way to gain an advantage, that can be seen as a kind of creativity, and may point to a strong career (hopefully within the law). However, if lots of students cheat in the same way semester after semester, the school has a credibility problem.

by smabie 4y ago

You've been able to take online classes for decades, why is this suddenly a problem? Moreover, if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any countermeasures you deploy.

thrdbndndn 4y ago

>which [why?] is this suddenly a problem? Because most of teachers didn't teach online class before. They are not used to design exams that would not be way too easy it suddenly becomes open book. I won't even say they're "lazy", coming up good take-home exams is super hard, especially when you spend your entire career not need to do that. > if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any countermeasures you deploy. I agree if it's online exam, it's kinda doomed either way. But it's more to act as a deterrent than total solution. And it does work to some "less-adventurous" students. Note: above is just directly replying to your questions. I don't support scanning student's room.

titoCA321 4y ago
Come on now, some of the college instructors weren't even teaching the offline classes. 200 students in a lecture hall and some random TA grading and assigning the tests. Do you honesty believe the TA knows each and ever student and that someone else didn't show up on exam day?!
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- PeterStuer 4y ago
  At every university that l took exams photo id was required to sit the exam.
  - swores 4y ago
    I'd guess that people who are willing and able to afford hiring someone to cheat for them in an exam, can probably also order a fake ID with their name and the photo of their exam-taker. Though maybe an extra step of storing a copy of the ID with the exam entry and having a professor who knows them verify that it matches the real student would catch most of that...
  - cguess 4y ago
    Where? In the US I've never had to do so.
    - PeterStuer 4y ago
      Not in the US. EU.

geek_at 4y ago

> if people want to cheat they can find some way to cheat regardless of any countermeasures you deploy I was a Academic highschool teacher for 8 years and I agree with your statement but also don't think that we should make it too easy for them. At minimum a screen recorder so the students know even if they were not caught during the exam, they could later be caught Bonus anecdote When the first bluetooth phones hit the market we had students use their (pseudo) smart phones (that looked like expensive calculators with greyscale displays back then) to send each other the solutions during the physics exam. No teacher at the time had this as a threat model

trashtester 4y ago
At some point, when a student find a truly novel way to gain an advantage, that can be seen as a kind of creativity, and may point to a strong career (hopefully within the law). However, if lots of students cheat in the same way semester after semester, the school has a credibility problem.