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Wikipedia says violence broke out a day after the George Floyd incident [1]: > After the main protest group disbanded on the night of May 26, a much smaller g

Wikipedia says violence broke out a day after the George Floyd incident [1]: > After the main protest group disbanded on the night of May 26, a much smaller group, numbering in the hundreds, spray-painted the building, threw rocks and bottles, broke a window at the station, and vandalized a squad car. A skirmish soon broke out between the vandals and protesters trying to stop them. At around 8 p.m., police fired tear gas and rubber bullets at demonstrators, some of whom had thrown water bottles at police officers. That was long before Trump was taking any action. Let's not give a bad politician credit he doesn't deserve. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests

chaps 4y ago
Not so fun fact: on May 29th in Chicago, the address with the highest number of arrests by far was at Trump tower, against peaceful protesters. Then the police department lied about the number of arrests that happened for looting, saying that there were more arrests for looting than protesters. If you're looking to build a better understanding of what happened, you might want to reconsider using wikipedia as your source and try to find local news that takes a critical look at policing. Also... "water bottles"? Come on. https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-police-arrested-more-people-for-protesting-than-for-looting-in-early-days-of-unrest-contradicting-original-claims/ https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-police-arrested-more...
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  > on May 29th in Chicago, the address with the highest number of arrests by far was at Trump tower, against peaceful protesters. I am not surprised that the one place in town which has a strong connection to a sitting US president who is considered racist by protesters is a protest, and thus an arrest hotspot. I see no proof that the arrest was made against peaceful protesters. Other sources, by the way, speak of 108 arrests, mostly related to property damage and violence [1] > If you're looking to build a better understanding of what happened, you might want to reconsider using wikipedia as your source and try to find local news that takes a critical look at policing. I prefer a source that at least tries to be unbiased to a source that makes it very clear it doesn't care about unbiased at all. The source you quote makes claims, but does not show data to back them up. Their analysis - and they admit that themselves - is based on incomplete data. [1] https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/30/21275417/loop-protesters-arrested-clashes-chicago-police-george-floyd-state-harrison https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/30/21275417/loop-protest...
  - chaps 4y ago
    Heh. I'm the reporter who did the analysis and I absolutely assure you the data was not incomplete. Where in the article was that said? Maybe I'm missing something, but I've spent many hours looking at the arrests in those early days and I can't recall anything that I'd call "incomplete". The reporting we did at Chicago Reporter was effectively in response to what was said in past reporting (like the one you link), which solely relied on the narratives given by the police, rather than actual thorough analysis. Our analysis found CPD's narrative about the number of people arrested for looting vs protesters to be completely false. CPD agreed that their original narrative was wrong. Mind you, whenever you see anything about the protests from David Brown, remember: he said he's seen no evidence of kettling of protesters in August 2020[1], despite overwhelming information pointing otherwise, including video of CPD surrounding protesters. I'm not sure I'd trust anything quoted from Brown in that article. Edit: if you want to look at the data yourself, here [2] you go. They remove the address info in this data, but journalists/students/nonprofits have access to an "authorize-only" version that has address info. [1] https://twitter.com/heathercherone/status/1295388053666779136 https://twitter.com/heathercherone/status/129538805366677913... [2] https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Arrests/dpt3-jri9 https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Arrests/dpt3-jr...
    - DocTomoe 4y ago
      > Where in the article was that said? From the article: > The Reporter does not have access to the arrest narratives, so our analysis includes crimes that could be considered looting in the context of a protest, but may also be everyday crimes like burglary. This becomes particularly interesting because only two paragraphs further up, it is pointed out that police was able to - and likely did - arrest groups of people based on the same narrative. > Edit: if you want to look at the data yourself, here [2] you go. They remove the address info in this data, but journalists/students/nonprofits have access to an "authorize-only" version that has address info. I wish journalists would give that information - link to sources of their articles - with the articles, especially when working for clearly opinionated media. It increases trust and reliability imho.
      - 4y ago

chaps 4y ago

Not so fun fact: on May 29th in Chicago, the address with the highest number of arrests by far was at Trump tower, against peaceful protesters. Then the police department lied about the number of arrests that happened for looting, saying that there were more arrests for looting than protesters. If you're looking to build a better understanding of what happened, you might want to reconsider using wikipedia as your source and try to find local news that takes a critical look at policing. Also... "water bottles"? Come on. https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-police-arrested-more-people-for-protesting-than-for-looting-in-early-days-of-unrest-contradicting-original-claims/ https://www.chicagoreporter.com/chicago-police-arrested-more...

DocTomoe 4y ago
> on May 29th in Chicago, the address with the highest number of arrests by far was at Trump tower, against peaceful protesters. I am not surprised that the one place in town which has a strong connection to a sitting US president who is considered racist by protesters is a protest, and thus an arrest hotspot. I see no proof that the arrest was made against peaceful protesters. Other sources, by the way, speak of 108 arrests, mostly related to property damage and violence [1] > If you're looking to build a better understanding of what happened, you might want to reconsider using wikipedia as your source and try to find local news that takes a critical look at policing. I prefer a source that at least tries to be unbiased to a source that makes it very clear it doesn't care about unbiased at all. The source you quote makes claims, but does not show data to back them up. Their analysis - and they admit that themselves - is based on incomplete data. [1] https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/30/21275417/loop-protesters-arrested-clashes-chicago-police-george-floyd-state-harrison https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/30/21275417/loop-protest...
- chaps 4y ago
  Heh. I'm the reporter who did the analysis and I absolutely assure you the data was not incomplete. Where in the article was that said? Maybe I'm missing something, but I've spent many hours looking at the arrests in those early days and I can't recall anything that I'd call "incomplete". The reporting we did at Chicago Reporter was effectively in response to what was said in past reporting (like the one you link), which solely relied on the narratives given by the police, rather than actual thorough analysis. Our analysis found CPD's narrative about the number of people arrested for looting vs protesters to be completely false. CPD agreed that their original narrative was wrong. Mind you, whenever you see anything about the protests from David Brown, remember: he said he's seen no evidence of kettling of protesters in August 2020[1], despite overwhelming information pointing otherwise, including video of CPD surrounding protesters. I'm not sure I'd trust anything quoted from Brown in that article. Edit: if you want to look at the data yourself, here [2] you go. They remove the address info in this data, but journalists/students/nonprofits have access to an "authorize-only" version that has address info. [1] https://twitter.com/heathercherone/status/1295388053666779136 https://twitter.com/heathercherone/status/129538805366677913... [2] https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Arrests/dpt3-jri9 https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Arrests/dpt3-jr...
  - DocTomoe 4y ago
    > Where in the article was that said? From the article: > The Reporter does not have access to the arrest narratives, so our analysis includes crimes that could be considered looting in the context of a protest, but may also be everyday crimes like burglary. This becomes particularly interesting because only two paragraphs further up, it is pointed out that police was able to - and likely did - arrest groups of people based on the same narrative. > Edit: if you want to look at the data yourself, here [2] you go. They remove the address info in this data, but journalists/students/nonprofits have access to an "authorize-only" version that has address info. I wish journalists would give that information - link to sources of their articles - with the articles, especially when working for clearly opinionated media. It increases trust and reliability imho.
    - 4y ago