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I have seen several videos of entirely black crowds looting stores. How is this Trump's fault? How is this "pure white supremacy"?

onion2k 4y ago
How is this "pure white supremacy"? That's an easy one. America has had a couple of centuries of systemic racism keeping majority-black communities poor, uneducated, and not particularly fearful of prison (relative to majority-white communities). When you combine that poverty with an easy opportunity to loot something valuable in a situation where there's a perception of not being caught due to the chaos, people will loot things. There will have been poor white people in the videos you watched, but your biases mean you focused on the black people instead. That's not a suggestion that you're racist. It's simply that you've grown up in a society where white people are literally considered superior. The white supremacy is all around you. You don't notice it in the same way you don't notice the air you breathe. When someone points it out though, you should probably listen at least, even if you choose not to act. Also, it's not Trump's fault. It goes back far further than Trump. He's simply a clever grifter who found a way to capitalize on it. His family is the better part of $3bn richer since his presidency...
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- kkfdkerpoe 4y ago
  Guess what keeps those black neighbourhoods poor? Lack of progressive taxation, which also impacts poor people of all other colors as well, including whites. Many Americans are obsessed with race, but really the main source of inequality is money these days. Fix the money issue and all poor people will benefit, including minorities. Take more money from the rich and use it to fund public services, education regardless of people's skin color. Now, obviously black people are poor because of historical actions which might count as "white supremacy" (like trans-atlantic slave trade), but you don't fix the issue by blaming white people, you fix it by taxing the rich.
  - blueflow 4y ago
    The US media scream racism and BLM all day so people blame whites, not politicians for their poverty.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    If you look at the historical record, the people working to stop progressive taxation were openly racist, and used that to get poor white people to support the policies. So, white supremacy lead directly to lots of poor white people getting hurt, just like the civil war killed a whole bunch of poor white people. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/rbgs-impact-on-civil-rights/blacktaxpayersmatter/ https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_r... > In this “systemic racism” frame and with an understanding of the pre-existing condition of racial wealth disparities, the “anti-tax” shift of the U.S. tax system from more to less progressive comes into focus as a current manifestation of relentless racism. Beginning in the early 1980s, our tax systems have become less progressive. “Anti-tax” fervor took root with caps on property taxes in California in 1978 and the Reagan tax cuts in the early 1980s, and it has steadily flourished. Congress has decreased wealth taxes along with top marginal income tax rates. State and local governments have reduced reliance on income and property taxes, replacing them with increased sales and other consumption taxes. > The “anti-tax” movement and economic inequality go hand in hand. Leading economists identify decreased progressivity in the tax system as an important cause of rising economic inequality. High-income earners who are taxed at lower rates are able to add more to their wealth every year compared to low-income earners. “Anti-tax,” it turns out, is less about taking the burden of taxation off of everyone and more about shifting that burden away from wealthy taxpayers who can, for example, choose to domicile in states that raise revenues through (regressive) sales rather than (progressive) income taxes.
- istinetz 4y ago
  >It's simply that you've grown up in a society where white people are literally considered superior. The white supremacy is all around you. You don't notice it in the same way you don't notice the air you breathe. When someone points it out though, you should probably listen at least, even if you choose not to act. I'm Bulgarian. We've been slaves longer than the trans-atlantic slave trade existed. Up until 45 years ago we were a puppet state of the USSR with zero political rights. Don't fucking lecture me how privileged I am. And you'll notice that despite being significantly poorer than even poor Americans, we don't riot and loot and burn buildings every time there is a political controversy.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    > we don't riot and loot and burn buildings every time there is a political controversy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Bulgarian_protests#Peaceful_protest_turns_to_violent_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Bulgarian_pr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protests_in_Bulgaria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protests_in_Bulgaria I'm no expert on Bulgaria, but I can't think of any scientific reason why they would be less likely to riot over politics than any other country? You have football hooliganism and criminal gangs and all that other normal human stuff right?
    - istinetz 4y ago
      I've been to those protests. 3 hours of football hooligans and extreme nationalists cannot compare to however many months BLM was. I wouldn't call it rioting and there definitely wasn't any looting or burning buildings. So don't tell me that it's the same, because it isn't. It's possible to air your grievances in a civilized manner, without stealing sneakers.
  - onion2k 4y ago
    And you'll notice that despite being significantly poorer than even poor Americans, we don't riot and loot and burn buildings every time there is a political controversy. Maybe you should.
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
There was an actual "white supremacist" that smashed windows and spray painted "free shit for everyone zone" on the side of a building while the crowd called him out as an agent provocateur, so... https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/06/02/whats-up-with-umbrella-man/ https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/06/02/whats-up-with-umbre... > The man whose cell phone records were sought is said to be a member of the Hells Angels motorcycle gang and “known associate” of the Aryan Cowboys white supremacist prison gang based in Minnesota and Kentucky. He was photographed with a group wearing Aryan Cowboy leather vests in Stillwater harassing a Muslim woman on June 27 of last year, according to the search warrant. > The search warrant sought the suspect’s cell phone activity and cell tower “pings” on the day of the AutoZone incident. The man, who has a lengthy criminal history, did not return a phone call seeking comment.

onion2k 4y ago

How is this "pure white supremacy"? That's an easy one. America has had a couple of centuries of systemic racism keeping majority-black communities poor, uneducated, and not particularly fearful of prison (relative to majority-white communities). When you combine that poverty with an easy opportunity to loot something valuable in a situation where there's a perception of not being caught due to the chaos, people will loot things. There will have been poor white people in the videos you watched, but your biases mean you focused on the black people instead. That's not a suggestion that you're racist. It's simply that you've grown up in a society where white people are literally considered superior. The white supremacy is all around you. You don't notice it in the same way you don't notice the air you breathe. When someone points it out though, you should probably listen at least, even if you choose not to act. Also, it's not Trump's fault. It goes back far further than Trump. He's simply a clever grifter who found a way to capitalize on it. His family is the better part of $3bn richer since his presidency...

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kkfdkerpoe 4y ago
Guess what keeps those black neighbourhoods poor? Lack of progressive taxation, which also impacts poor people of all other colors as well, including whites. Many Americans are obsessed with race, but really the main source of inequality is money these days. Fix the money issue and all poor people will benefit, including minorities. Take more money from the rich and use it to fund public services, education regardless of people's skin color. Now, obviously black people are poor because of historical actions which might count as "white supremacy" (like trans-atlantic slave trade), but you don't fix the issue by blaming white people, you fix it by taxing the rich.
- blueflow 4y ago
  The US media scream racism and BLM all day so people blame whites, not politicians for their poverty.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  If you look at the historical record, the people working to stop progressive taxation were openly racist, and used that to get poor white people to support the policies. So, white supremacy lead directly to lots of poor white people getting hurt, just like the civil war killed a whole bunch of poor white people. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/rbgs-impact-on-civil-rights/blacktaxpayersmatter/ https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_r... > In this “systemic racism” frame and with an understanding of the pre-existing condition of racial wealth disparities, the “anti-tax” shift of the U.S. tax system from more to less progressive comes into focus as a current manifestation of relentless racism. Beginning in the early 1980s, our tax systems have become less progressive. “Anti-tax” fervor took root with caps on property taxes in California in 1978 and the Reagan tax cuts in the early 1980s, and it has steadily flourished. Congress has decreased wealth taxes along with top marginal income tax rates. State and local governments have reduced reliance on income and property taxes, replacing them with increased sales and other consumption taxes. > The “anti-tax” movement and economic inequality go hand in hand. Leading economists identify decreased progressivity in the tax system as an important cause of rising economic inequality. High-income earners who are taxed at lower rates are able to add more to their wealth every year compared to low-income earners. “Anti-tax,” it turns out, is less about taking the burden of taxation off of everyone and more about shifting that burden away from wealthy taxpayers who can, for example, choose to domicile in states that raise revenues through (regressive) sales rather than (progressive) income taxes.
istinetz 4y ago
>It's simply that you've grown up in a society where white people are literally considered superior. The white supremacy is all around you. You don't notice it in the same way you don't notice the air you breathe. When someone points it out though, you should probably listen at least, even if you choose not to act. I'm Bulgarian. We've been slaves longer than the trans-atlantic slave trade existed. Up until 45 years ago we were a puppet state of the USSR with zero political rights. Don't fucking lecture me how privileged I am. And you'll notice that despite being significantly poorer than even poor Americans, we don't riot and loot and burn buildings every time there is a political controversy.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  > we don't riot and loot and burn buildings every time there is a political controversy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Bulgarian_protests#Peaceful_protest_turns_to_violent_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_Bulgarian_pr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protests_in_Bulgaria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protests_in_Bulgaria I'm no expert on Bulgaria, but I can't think of any scientific reason why they would be less likely to riot over politics than any other country? You have football hooliganism and criminal gangs and all that other normal human stuff right?
  - istinetz 4y ago
    I've been to those protests. 3 hours of football hooligans and extreme nationalists cannot compare to however many months BLM was. I wouldn't call it rioting and there definitely wasn't any looting or burning buildings. So don't tell me that it's the same, because it isn't. It's possible to air your grievances in a civilized manner, without stealing sneakers.
- onion2k 4y ago
  And you'll notice that despite being significantly poorer than even poor Americans, we don't riot and loot and burn buildings every time there is a political controversy. Maybe you should.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

There was an actual "white supremacist" that smashed windows and spray painted "free shit for everyone zone" on the side of a building while the crowd called him out as an agent provocateur, so... https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/06/02/whats-up-with-umbrella-man/ https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/06/02/whats-up-with-umbre... > The man whose cell phone records were sought is said to be a member of the Hells Angels motorcycle gang and “known associate” of the Aryan Cowboys white supremacist prison gang based in Minnesota and Kentucky. He was photographed with a group wearing Aryan Cowboy leather vests in Stillwater harassing a Muslim woman on June 27 of last year, according to the search warrant. > The search warrant sought the suspect’s cell phone activity and cell tower “pings” on the day of the AutoZone incident. The man, who has a lengthy criminal history, did not return a phone call seeking comment.