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Another solution that the article doesn't mention: separate the email address from the email provider. It really is the domain name that is your legal identity.

Another solution that the article doesn't mention: separate the email address from the email provider. It really is the domain name that is your legal identity. Make it as easy for people to register a personal domain name as it is for them to sign up for free email so they can switch from Gmail to Hotmail to Protonmail without changing their email address. Edit: We then need a standard for discoverable DNS settings that providers can publish, together with an endpoint that the domain name provider calls to inform the email provider that it should accept email from person@personaldomain.person and forward it to person@emailprovider.com. Then your domain name provider can discover these, and switching email provider can be done with a click of a button without you having to have any knowledge of DNS. Of course email providers will have little interest in supporting something like this, so this is where regulation would be needed.

hamstergene 4y ago
But what credentials do you use to log into the personal domain name provider, to manage it? Another email? Unless there is state-guaranteed ownership of a domain name, this will remain to be chicken-and-egg problem: to manage a domain one needs an account with an email, and to have an independent email one needs a domain. Even then, moving between countries is normal now which poses a huge challenge to the concept of "online identity", because what one state guarantees is not necessarily what another recognizes.
- colordrops 4y ago
  This is the most important comment in this entire post/thread. This is what needs to be addressed to truly solve the problem. I don't know how to solve it other than perhaps using a token on a blockchain to indicate ownership of a domain.
- ulrikrasmussen 4y ago
  A physical address to receive recovery codes? In Denmark, every person has a digital identity and they can authenticate themselves using either a smartphone or a dedicated TOTP key fob, and that could also work. Heck, we even have digital mail boxes for every person. The reason that email is popular as an online identity is that it is an easy and cheap method for the service provider and user to establish an identity. It would be acceptable for a domain name provider to use a more expensive way of establishing identity since you only have to go through this process for this single provider. A physical office could work if you don't live in a country where people have government-issued digital identities. Edit: Actually, why would we need all that? We don't need anything but a username, password and maybe a phone number to sign up for GMail, so why should it be different for a domain name provider? Sure, you need some recovery mechanism if you lose your credentials, but that problem is already solved by current email providers by using phone numbers, recovery codes, TOTP, Yubikeys, etc.
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- nine_k 4y ago
  More than that, your spare email to control your main domain needs to be on a different domain, else you risk to be unable to solve any problems with your domain, because your email won't be accessible. Ideally your domain registrar would allow to use a username, multiple emails, a phone number, and a 2FA not connected to any of them, like TOTP. Managing this all is a tall order. This is why gmail and hotmail are so popular.
- planede 4y ago
  Sure, you probably need an existing email address to bootstrap a domain, but you can change it as soon as you have your new email address set up.
koheripbal 4y ago
What about something more like how tor sites generate url tokens and route traffic? That way whoever owns the private key will always own the address. It cannot be seized.

hamstergene 4y ago

But what credentials do you use to log into the personal domain name provider, to manage it? Another email? Unless there is state-guaranteed ownership of a domain name, this will remain to be chicken-and-egg problem: to manage a domain one needs an account with an email, and to have an independent email one needs a domain. Even then, moving between countries is normal now which poses a huge challenge to the concept of "online identity", because what one state guarantees is not necessarily what another recognizes.

colordrops 4y ago
This is the most important comment in this entire post/thread. This is what needs to be addressed to truly solve the problem. I don't know how to solve it other than perhaps using a token on a blockchain to indicate ownership of a domain.
ulrikrasmussen 4y ago
A physical address to receive recovery codes? In Denmark, every person has a digital identity and they can authenticate themselves using either a smartphone or a dedicated TOTP key fob, and that could also work. Heck, we even have digital mail boxes for every person. The reason that email is popular as an online identity is that it is an easy and cheap method for the service provider and user to establish an identity. It would be acceptable for a domain name provider to use a more expensive way of establishing identity since you only have to go through this process for this single provider. A physical office could work if you don't live in a country where people have government-issued digital identities. Edit: Actually, why would we need all that? We don't need anything but a username, password and maybe a phone number to sign up for GMail, so why should it be different for a domain name provider? Sure, you need some recovery mechanism if you lose your credentials, but that problem is already solved by current email providers by using phone numbers, recovery codes, TOTP, Yubikeys, etc.
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nine_k 4y ago
More than that, your spare email to control your main domain needs to be on a different domain, else you risk to be unable to solve any problems with your domain, because your email won't be accessible. Ideally your domain registrar would allow to use a username, multiple emails, a phone number, and a 2FA not connected to any of them, like TOTP. Managing this all is a tall order. This is why gmail and hotmail are so popular.
planede 4y ago
Sure, you probably need an existing email address to bootstrap a domain, but you can change it as soon as you have your new email address set up.

koheripbal 4y ago

What about something more like how tor sites generate url tokens and route traffic? That way whoever owns the private key will always own the address. It cannot be seized.