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My current Tesla started doing FSD almost a year ago.

vlovich123 4y ago
Let me clarify. Musk claimed 6 years ago [1] that shipping Teslas would be capable of Level 5 autonomy. While Tesla’s markets their feature as “full self driving” it’s a far cry from even level 3 afaik. It’s kind of sad people fall for this. It also has lethal consequences as people assume it can do things it very well can’t (cruise control+ is really what the feature is). It’s a very obvious grift and SEC and FTC regulators have apparently been asleep at the wheel to enforce it. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a shareholder lawsuit at some point. Certainly if the stock collapses once someone beats Tesla to level 5. [1] https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-tesla-models-will-feature-level-5-capable-autopilot-hardware/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-tesla-models-will-featur...
- dailykoder 4y ago
  Musk already admitted that he was very wrong about FSD and that it's not that easy. Sure his talk was dumb and a lot of people fell for it, but that's just how marketing works.
  - babypuncher 4y ago
    I mean, he still took a bunch of people's money for the feature, then didn't give it back after admitting L5 wasn't coming any time soon.
  - philistine 4y ago
    That is not how marketing works. Show me a reputable book about marketing that says: promise something that doesn't exist.
    - williamtrask 4y ago
      If the marketing book said that it would be poorly marketing itself. There’s plenty of “bend the truth” culture in marketing.
    - epgui 4y ago
      Alternatively… Explain to me how making predictions about the future that don’t pan out is surprising or alienating to anyone reasonable. Anyone who thinks predictions about the future hold the same weight as statements about things that currently exist ought to know better.
      - vlovich123 4y ago
        He's been saying repeatedly that "it's going to be fully self driving next year" for the past 6 years now. At what point for you does that change from "overly optimistic prediction that didn't pan out" to "he's likely lying through his teeth"? The unsettling duality that Tesla fans will accept is that somehow Musk is both an unrivaled genius AND he's consistently betting incorrectly on Tesla's timeline for L5. When other self-driving experts in the field indicate full L5 for the industry is probably a decade or so away (optimistically), I'm not keen to believe that Musk is just blinded by pure optimism for 6 years running.
  - bagels 4y ago
    That's how fraud works, not marketing.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - epgui 4y ago
      It’s not fraud when you’re just over-optimistic, you believe what you’re saying, and you end up being wrong. It might suck, but it’s not fraud.
      - assttoasstmgr 4y ago
        > It’s not fraud when you’re just over-optimistic, you believe what you’re saying, and you end up being wrong. "It's not a lie if you believe it." -- G. Costanza
        epgui 4y ago
        Exactly. Doesn't mean it's great, but let's try and use the right words!
  - ROTMetro 4y ago
    By 'how marketing works' do you mean 'how every software sales VP I have ever worked with works'?
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  Yep, if there's one thing that the AI "community" has done, it's over promise and under deliver. Tesla was a lot more fortunate than some others, being an automotive company first, and an AI company at best 4th (after battery, charging network).
babypuncher 4y ago
Not L5 like Musk claimed. It's a stretch to even call it L3 right now.
- oldgradstudent 4y ago
  It's not "a stretch". It's just wrong. FSD requires constant human supervision. It has nothing to do with level 3 or above.
KaiserPro 4y ago
My 2009 kia rio has FSD too, and like the tesla, it won't stop for children in FSD mode (note the FSD mode here is basically a brick on the accelerator)
- speedgoose 4y ago
  If you think about the recent test conducted by a Tesla AI competitor, it wasn’t FSD mode. See https://electrek.co/2022/08/10/tesla-self-driving-smear-campaign-releases-test-fails-fsd-never-engaged/ https://electrek.co/2022/08/10/tesla-self-driving-smear-camp...
  - KaiserPro 4y ago
    fair enough, thank you for sharing this.
LightG 4y ago
"FSD".... lol

Let me clarify. Musk claimed 6 years ago [1] that shipping Teslas would be capable of Level 5 autonomy. While Tesla’s markets their feature as “full self driving” it’s a far cry from even level 3 afaik. It’s kind of sad people fall for this. It also has lethal consequences as people assume it can do things it very well can’t (cruise control+ is really what the feature is). It’s a very obvious grift and SEC and FTC regulators have apparently been asleep at the wheel to enforce it. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a shareholder lawsuit at some point. Certainly if the stock collapses once someone beats Tesla to level 5. [1] https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-tesla-models-will-feature-level-5-capable-autopilot-hardware/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-tesla-models-will-featur...

dailykoder 4y ago
Musk already admitted that he was very wrong about FSD and that it's not that easy. Sure his talk was dumb and a lot of people fell for it, but that's just how marketing works.
- babypuncher 4y ago
  I mean, he still took a bunch of people's money for the feature, then didn't give it back after admitting L5 wasn't coming any time soon.
- philistine 4y ago
  That is not how marketing works. Show me a reputable book about marketing that says: promise something that doesn't exist.
  - williamtrask 4y ago
    If the marketing book said that it would be poorly marketing itself. There’s plenty of “bend the truth” culture in marketing.
  - epgui 4y ago
    Alternatively… Explain to me how making predictions about the future that don’t pan out is surprising or alienating to anyone reasonable. Anyone who thinks predictions about the future hold the same weight as statements about things that currently exist ought to know better.
    - vlovich123 4y ago
      He's been saying repeatedly that "it's going to be fully self driving next year" for the past 6 years now. At what point for you does that change from "overly optimistic prediction that didn't pan out" to "he's likely lying through his teeth"? The unsettling duality that Tesla fans will accept is that somehow Musk is both an unrivaled genius AND he's consistently betting incorrectly on Tesla's timeline for L5. When other self-driving experts in the field indicate full L5 for the industry is probably a decade or so away (optimistically), I'm not keen to believe that Musk is just blinded by pure optimism for 6 years running.
- bagels 4y ago
  That's how fraud works, not marketing.
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  - epgui 4y ago
    It’s not fraud when you’re just over-optimistic, you believe what you’re saying, and you end up being wrong. It might suck, but it’s not fraud.
    - assttoasstmgr 4y ago
      > It’s not fraud when you’re just over-optimistic, you believe what you’re saying, and you end up being wrong. "It's not a lie if you believe it." -- G. Costanza
      - epgui 4y ago
        Exactly. Doesn't mean it's great, but let's try and use the right words!
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  By 'how marketing works' do you mean 'how every software sales VP I have ever worked with works'?
throwawaylinux 4y ago
Yep, if there's one thing that the AI "community" has done, it's over promise and under deliver. Tesla was a lot more fortunate than some others, being an automotive company first, and an AI company at best 4th (after battery, charging network).

babypuncher 4y ago

Not L5 like Musk claimed. It's a stretch to even call it L3 right now.

oldgradstudent 4y ago
It's not "a stretch". It's just wrong. FSD requires constant human supervision. It has nothing to do with level 3 or above.

KaiserPro 4y ago

My 2009 kia rio has FSD too, and like the tesla, it won't stop for children in FSD mode (note the FSD mode here is basically a brick on the accelerator)

speedgoose 4y ago
If you think about the recent test conducted by a Tesla AI competitor, it wasn’t FSD mode. See https://electrek.co/2022/08/10/tesla-self-driving-smear-campaign-releases-test-fails-fsd-never-engaged/ https://electrek.co/2022/08/10/tesla-self-driving-smear-camp...
- KaiserPro 4y ago
  fair enough, thank you for sharing this.

LightG 4y ago

"FSD".... lol