Cliff wanted to use my knot diagrams in a math exhibit, so I got to meet him in his home, he is indeed the kindest and most dynamic gentleman I've ever met. I'

Cliff wanted to use my knot diagrams in a math exhibit, so I got to meet him in his home, he is indeed the kindest and most dynamic gentleman I've ever met. I'm also a fan of Cuckoo's Nest, and I recall seeing him on the PBS News Hour when I was a kid, they'd interview him for computer-related topics.