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Moved away from 1password a long time back. 1password 5 was the last good product. Then they raised a bunch of money and went the usual VC route of losing contr

Moved away from 1password a long time back. 1password 5 was the last good product. Then they raised a bunch of money and went the usual VC route of losing control of the company. Bitwarden is a superior replacement in every way.

mdaniel 4y ago
> Bitwarden is a superior replacement in every way I'm going to regret sticking my nose into this, because BW is the Internet's darling, but that is demonstrably untrue unless one's password management needs are extremely simple One can dislike AgileBits as a business all they like, but BW has a long way to go before it's a superior replacement
- ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
  Maybe I should clarify. My experience with BW has been as a personal password manager. And it is superior to 1P in that category.
- barbs 4y ago
  Which features is BitWarden missing?
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    Not a feature per se, but I've found that Bitwarden is less reliable at identifying password fields in apps and web pages than LastPass. Last time I used 1password it was still called 1passwd so I'm probably not qualified to compare against them. That said I still like BW enough to be a subscriber.
  - mdaniel 4y ago
    I was purposefully steering clear of a laundry list, cause it comes up so often I'm tired of typing it, and also I'm trying to get out of the "try and convince people to switch" game. If you like BW, I'm glad for you, and that I don't have to use it. I paid for BW so that I can fairly evaluate their product every so often, and my experience is that they just have a lack of attention to detail that I don't enjoy when entrusting my passwords and day-to-day UX to them I do hope they succeed, and I'm glad vaultwarden exists, but in my line of work execution matters and they have not yet demonstrated that they care about execution to the same degree that 1P does
    - barbs 4y ago
      I don't use either - I used Keepass and sync the key file amongst my devices. It doesn't have a lot of the features that other password managers have, but it's simple, open-source and works well enough for me.
- ThatGeoGuy 4y ago
  Yeah, I would have to agree. I am a Bitwarden premium user for my personal password management, but we use 1Password business at work. Some things Bitwarden is missing: - Integration with biometric auth on Linux - SSH key types & SSH agent integration - API token types - Equivalent to `op run --` in their CLI client - Shared vault / folder management in Bitwarden is clunky, especially with CLI I'm sure there's more, but this comes off the top of my head. It has a lot going for it, but small things (especially with the CLI tool) make it hard to say it's superior in every facet. I love Bitwarden, but they very clearly employ fewer people and have fewer features.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    I might argue these are niche features and best served by more complex password managers compensated to serve a smaller audience. Your average user needs somewhere safe to store a url, username, and password tuple (and perhaps safely share those to others). Business users should be using SSO, role assumption, and a vaulting solution as a last resort.
    - ThatGeoGuy 4y ago
      Hmmmm. Are you advocating that Bitwarden was feature-complete and should never build these things out of the product they have? Because things like SSO, role assumption, sharing, etc. are already part of their business offering. What I'm complaining about above is the claim: Bitwarden is a superior replacement in every way. which I'll add, was compared to 1Password 5. Certainly that may be true for the grandparent poster, but I've put various features that exist in 1Password 8 (as a current user) that are missing in Bitwarden. I'm happy to disagree and say that if you want a product that only does vault storage, and neglects all business or non-user/pass combo needs - great, you can have that. But to suggest somehow that Bitwarden is that product and should remain so - well I'm afraid you're not looking at their business model. They already have SSO options (see https://bitwarden.com/products/business/ https://bitwarden.com/products/business/), audit & compliance, etc. I am being very frank about features that are missing from Bitwarden today that actual customers are looking for.
- DavideNL 4y ago
  I agree, Bitwarden is not there yet; Also migration from 1Password to Bitwarden was a mess when i did it about a year ago. For example, it removed all file attachments - without even mentioning it! (which i didn't notice right away, which could have easily resulted in data loss.) The migration of all the "fields" in an item of course can't be done exactly one-on-one, which resulted in a huge mess. I too hate the Electron versions of 1Password though. Profit seems more important than quality to them lately. I'm currently slowly migrating all passwords to Bitwarden/KeepassXC. Hopefully Desktop browser integration will improve.

mdaniel 4y ago

> Bitwarden is a superior replacement in every way I'm going to regret sticking my nose into this, because BW is the Internet's darling, but that is demonstrably untrue unless one's password management needs are extremely simple One can dislike AgileBits as a business all they like, but BW has a long way to go before it's a superior replacement

ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
Maybe I should clarify. My experience with BW has been as a personal password manager. And it is superior to 1P in that category.
barbs 4y ago
Which features is BitWarden missing?
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  Not a feature per se, but I've found that Bitwarden is less reliable at identifying password fields in apps and web pages than LastPass. Last time I used 1password it was still called 1passwd so I'm probably not qualified to compare against them. That said I still like BW enough to be a subscriber.
- mdaniel 4y ago
  I was purposefully steering clear of a laundry list, cause it comes up so often I'm tired of typing it, and also I'm trying to get out of the "try and convince people to switch" game. If you like BW, I'm glad for you, and that I don't have to use it. I paid for BW so that I can fairly evaluate their product every so often, and my experience is that they just have a lack of attention to detail that I don't enjoy when entrusting my passwords and day-to-day UX to them I do hope they succeed, and I'm glad vaultwarden exists, but in my line of work execution matters and they have not yet demonstrated that they care about execution to the same degree that 1P does
  - barbs 4y ago
    I don't use either - I used Keepass and sync the key file amongst my devices. It doesn't have a lot of the features that other password managers have, but it's simple, open-source and works well enough for me.
ThatGeoGuy 4y ago
Yeah, I would have to agree. I am a Bitwarden premium user for my personal password management, but we use 1Password business at work. Some things Bitwarden is missing: - Integration with biometric auth on Linux - SSH key types & SSH agent integration - API token types - Equivalent to `op run --` in their CLI client - Shared vault / folder management in Bitwarden is clunky, especially with CLI I'm sure there's more, but this comes off the top of my head. It has a lot going for it, but small things (especially with the CLI tool) make it hard to say it's superior in every facet. I love Bitwarden, but they very clearly employ fewer people and have fewer features.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  I might argue these are niche features and best served by more complex password managers compensated to serve a smaller audience. Your average user needs somewhere safe to store a url, username, and password tuple (and perhaps safely share those to others). Business users should be using SSO, role assumption, and a vaulting solution as a last resort.
  - ThatGeoGuy 4y ago
    Hmmmm. Are you advocating that Bitwarden was feature-complete and should never build these things out of the product they have? Because things like SSO, role assumption, sharing, etc. are already part of their business offering. What I'm complaining about above is the claim: Bitwarden is a superior replacement in every way. which I'll add, was compared to 1Password 5. Certainly that may be true for the grandparent poster, but I've put various features that exist in 1Password 8 (as a current user) that are missing in Bitwarden. I'm happy to disagree and say that if you want a product that only does vault storage, and neglects all business or non-user/pass combo needs - great, you can have that. But to suggest somehow that Bitwarden is that product and should remain so - well I'm afraid you're not looking at their business model. They already have SSO options (see https://bitwarden.com/products/business/ https://bitwarden.com/products/business/), audit & compliance, etc. I am being very frank about features that are missing from Bitwarden today that actual customers are looking for.
DavideNL 4y ago
I agree, Bitwarden is not there yet; Also migration from 1Password to Bitwarden was a mess when i did it about a year ago. For example, it removed all file attachments - without even mentioning it! (which i didn't notice right away, which could have easily resulted in data loss.) The migration of all the "fields" in an item of course can't be done exactly one-on-one, which resulted in a huge mess. I too hate the Electron versions of 1Password though. Profit seems more important than quality to them lately. I'm currently slowly migrating all passwords to Bitwarden/KeepassXC. Hopefully Desktop browser integration will improve.