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Can someone explain what this means or why it is bad? Thanks!

mroche 4y ago
Doing a quick scan through the linked thread and the final screenshot that this post's title is about (re: delisting forums posts)... the thread issue isn't criticism of the new app version per se (there is some) but the fact it's not available in Apple's Mac App Store (it is in the iOS App Store). The screenshot just shows the thread as visible from the "latest post" view, but doesn't actually show up in the Mac forum area.
mdaniel 4y ago
If one looks at all the brew-haha over DDG delisting some search results, it's the same thing: no one likes having pseudo-censorship applied to what seemed like a good-faith ~~rant~~ forum thread. There didn't seem to be any obvious illegal content or ad hominem attacks that would warrent delisting the thread, and thus from the outside it looks like "sour grapes" when AgileBits had their feelings hurt That said, it seems to be some custom(?) forum software, so there could also be a perfectly reasonable explanation that just looks shady
- jamiek88 4y ago
  Just fyi as I recently learned this it’s ‘brouhaha’ rather than brew as in beer. No offense meant just passing it on!
  - mdaniel 4y ago
    Yeah, I figured it was some idiomatic thing that was almost certainly incorrect, but I claim handicap cause I was born in the South :-D There are so many expressions I've heard all my life that I probably couldn't write down if my life depended upon it Thank you for warning others not to follow in my footsteps `o/`
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FinalBriefing 4y ago
Companies that need to create apps for multiple platforms (macOS, Windows, Linux, web browsers) have a choice: A) Create separate apps for each platform B) Make one app that can run on all platforms with minimal changes Electron is a very popular way to build a webapp and make it look like a real "native" app. It is great in concepts: companies can build one app, and they only have to make minor changes between platforms. In practice, Electron apps hog a lot of memory and can appear slow. Electron is basically a web browser rendering a web page. When you have your regular web browser running, along with a handful of Electron apps, you're really running several comletely separate web browsers all at once. On top of that, Electron is built off of Chrome, and Chrome is a huge memory hog. So, companies that create Electron apps go that route to save time and resources, hogging up users' resources. For 1Password, it's supposed to be a tiny app the mostly just lives in your OS's menubar or taskbar with a minimal UI until you need to open up the larger window. Instead, there's a whole instance of Chrome soaking up memory in the background while your app is idle.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
  Curious from a theoretical standpoint - isn't one of the downsides of Electron that it's standalone and not really designed to be shared between different instances of the same thing? For instance, Slack is a famous Electron app as well as Zoom. If there were a framework where they could share common resources couldn't it be as theoretically efficient as having separate tabs in Chrome? I know we are well beyond something being possible in practice that does something like this, but it feels like it could be theoretically possible to use way less resources doing something like this.
  - IceWreck 4y ago
    > as well as Zoom afaik zoom is written in Qt
  - trinovantes 4y ago
    Multiple apps may ship different Chrome versions and may depend on their individual features or lack thereof It might also be a security risk: how do you prevent one app from shipping an infected Chrome 104 that will steal the secrets of another app? Overall, it just seems simpler to not worry about any of these issues by shipping isolated binaries
InTheArena 4y ago
I honestly feel that it's more the toxic Apple Indie Community than 1Password. A lot of Apple users are unhappy that 1Password has started to target (in addition to their apple users) enterprise and PC users as well. The difference between 1Password 8 (Rust and electron based) and 1Password 7 is minimal. More to the point, they tried to use Swift UI for 1Password 8 and failed (SwiftUI is another favorite community beating bag). Apparently, the only true path that certain people would have accepted is keeping a rapidly technical debt increasing Objective C and AppKit code base.

Doing a quick scan through the linked thread and the final screenshot that this post's title is about (re: delisting forums posts)... the thread issue isn't criticism of the new app version per se (there is some) but the fact it's not available in Apple's Mac App Store (it is in the iOS App Store). The screenshot just shows the thread as visible from the "latest post" view, but doesn't actually show up in the Mac forum area.

mdaniel 4y ago

If one looks at all the brew-haha over DDG delisting some search results, it's the same thing: no one likes having pseudo-censorship applied to what seemed like a good-faith ~~rant~~ forum thread. There didn't seem to be any obvious illegal content or ad hominem attacks that would warrent delisting the thread, and thus from the outside it looks like "sour grapes" when AgileBits had their feelings hurt That said, it seems to be some custom(?) forum software, so there could also be a perfectly reasonable explanation that just looks shady

jamiek88 4y ago
Just fyi as I recently learned this it’s ‘brouhaha’ rather than brew as in beer. No offense meant just passing it on!
- mdaniel 4y ago
  Yeah, I figured it was some idiomatic thing that was almost certainly incorrect, but I claim handicap cause I was born in the South :-D There are so many expressions I've heard all my life that I probably couldn't write down if my life depended upon it Thank you for warning others not to follow in my footsteps `o/`

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FinalBriefing 4y ago

Companies that need to create apps for multiple platforms (macOS, Windows, Linux, web browsers) have a choice: A) Create separate apps for each platform B) Make one app that can run on all platforms with minimal changes Electron is a very popular way to build a webapp and make it look like a real "native" app. It is great in concepts: companies can build one app, and they only have to make minor changes between platforms. In practice, Electron apps hog a lot of memory and can appear slow. Electron is basically a web browser rendering a web page. When you have your regular web browser running, along with a handful of Electron apps, you're really running several comletely separate web browsers all at once. On top of that, Electron is built off of Chrome, and Chrome is a huge memory hog. So, companies that create Electron apps go that route to save time and resources, hogging up users' resources. For 1Password, it's supposed to be a tiny app the mostly just lives in your OS's menubar or taskbar with a minimal UI until you need to open up the larger window. Instead, there's a whole instance of Chrome soaking up memory in the background while your app is idle.

SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
Curious from a theoretical standpoint - isn't one of the downsides of Electron that it's standalone and not really designed to be shared between different instances of the same thing? For instance, Slack is a famous Electron app as well as Zoom. If there were a framework where they could share common resources couldn't it be as theoretically efficient as having separate tabs in Chrome? I know we are well beyond something being possible in practice that does something like this, but it feels like it could be theoretically possible to use way less resources doing something like this.
- IceWreck 4y ago
  > as well as Zoom afaik zoom is written in Qt
- trinovantes 4y ago
  Multiple apps may ship different Chrome versions and may depend on their individual features or lack thereof It might also be a security risk: how do you prevent one app from shipping an infected Chrome 104 that will steal the secrets of another app? Overall, it just seems simpler to not worry about any of these issues by shipping isolated binaries

InTheArena 4y ago

I honestly feel that it's more the toxic Apple Indie Community than 1Password. A lot of Apple users are unhappy that 1Password has started to target (in addition to their apple users) enterprise and PC users as well. The difference between 1Password 8 (Rust and electron based) and 1Password 7 is minimal. More to the point, they tried to use Swift UI for 1Password 8 and failed (SwiftUI is another favorite community beating bag). Apparently, the only true path that certain people would have accepted is keeping a rapidly technical debt increasing Objective C and AppKit code base.