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What’s the point of this comment? Every consumer electronic product has a new version a year or 2 away. Apple products also have a long reputation of having a

What’s the point of this comment? Every consumer electronic product has a new version a year or 2 away. Apple products also have a long reputation of having a sweet spot for buying a new product. The Mac Buyers guide has existed for like a decade or more.

rvz 4y ago
> What’s the point of this comment? Every consumer electronic product has a new version a year or 2 away. So after 9 months releasing the M1 Macbooks, the M1 Pro Macbooks came out afterwards, already replacing the old ones in less than a year. Given this fast cycle, there is a reason why the Osborne effect precisely applies to Apple's flagship products rather than 'Every consumer electronic product'. This is a new system running on a new architecture and it must run the same apps on the user's previous computer. Unfortunately, the software for it was just too early to be available on the system at the time and if was there, it didn't run at all in Nov 2020. Even a simple update will brick the system. What use is a system that bricks on an update; losing your important file or for power users having to wait 6 months for the software they use everyday to be available and supported for their work? Going all in on the hype fed by the Apple boosters and hype squad doesn't make any sense as a buyers guide.
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  >So after 9 months releasing the M1 Macbooks, the M1 Pro Macbooks came out afterwards, already replacing the old ones in less than a year. The M1 Air and 13" Pro are really entry level machines. The first model with a M1 Pro costs $700USD over the base model 13" M2 MBP. The M1 Pro still has much better performance compared to a base M2. The M1 Pro, Max and Ultra didn't replace anything. No one with a budget is going "Oh, the M1 Pro only cost an extra $700USD, I'll get that". >What use is a system that bricks on an update; losing your important file or for power users having to wait 6 months for the software they use everyday to be available and supported for their work? What's the point of this comment? Things happen. It sucks. Apple isn't the first and won't be the last company to make a mistake. Don't get sucked into the shininess of their latest product.
  - rvz 4y ago
    > The M1 Pro still has much better performance compared to a base M2. The M1 Pro, Max and Ultra didn't replace anything. Exactly. Hence, why many skipped the M1 and bought the 14-inch Mac with M1 Pro instead. With the time it took for all the existing software to work properly on Apple Silicon, the 14 inch M1 Pro was available and little to no-one bothered with getting the old broken 13 inch M1 MBP. > No one with a budget is going "Oh, the M1 Pro only cost an extra $700USD, I'll get that". No one on a "budget" would get a computer that would cost more than $1,000 and it bricks on a system update / restore or chooses an Apple machine in the first place. Plenty of money saved up by then or financing options for the next version, instead of wasting it all on launch day and losing all your files next week. > What's the point of this comment? Things happen. It sucks. Apple isn't the first and won't be the last company to make a mistake. Don't get sucked into the shininess of their latest product. It is the truth of the matter and it happened very frequently on launch day with lots of users complaining that their shiny new computer bricked on an update / restore, etc and have lost all their files and are unable to use the computer. So once again... What use is a system for users that bricks on an update / restore; losing all your files and waiting months for the software one uses everyday to be available and supported for basic work? > Don't get sucked into the shininess of their latest product. Don't tell that to me, tell that to these people who fell for it. [0] [1] [2] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28090774 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28090774 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28940358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28940358 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27065953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27065953
- scarface74 4y ago
  Well actually, the Osborne Effect is s myth http://www.thesoftwareunderground.com/2005/06/osborne-effect-myth-or-reality.html http://www.thesoftwareunderground.com/2005/06/osborne-effect...

rvz 4y ago

> What’s the point of this comment? Every consumer electronic product has a new version a year or 2 away. So after 9 months releasing the M1 Macbooks, the M1 Pro Macbooks came out afterwards, already replacing the old ones in less than a year. Given this fast cycle, there is a reason why the Osborne effect precisely applies to Apple's flagship products rather than 'Every consumer electronic product'. This is a new system running on a new architecture and it must run the same apps on the user's previous computer. Unfortunately, the software for it was just too early to be available on the system at the time and if was there, it didn't run at all in Nov 2020. Even a simple update will brick the system. What use is a system that bricks on an update; losing your important file or for power users having to wait 6 months for the software they use everyday to be available and supported for their work? Going all in on the hype fed by the Apple boosters and hype squad doesn't make any sense as a buyers guide.

2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
>So after 9 months releasing the M1 Macbooks, the M1 Pro Macbooks came out afterwards, already replacing the old ones in less than a year. The M1 Air and 13" Pro are really entry level machines. The first model with a M1 Pro costs $700USD over the base model 13" M2 MBP. The M1 Pro still has much better performance compared to a base M2. The M1 Pro, Max and Ultra didn't replace anything. No one with a budget is going "Oh, the M1 Pro only cost an extra $700USD, I'll get that". >What use is a system that bricks on an update; losing your important file or for power users having to wait 6 months for the software they use everyday to be available and supported for their work? What's the point of this comment? Things happen. It sucks. Apple isn't the first and won't be the last company to make a mistake. Don't get sucked into the shininess of their latest product.
- rvz 4y ago
  > The M1 Pro still has much better performance compared to a base M2. The M1 Pro, Max and Ultra didn't replace anything. Exactly. Hence, why many skipped the M1 and bought the 14-inch Mac with M1 Pro instead. With the time it took for all the existing software to work properly on Apple Silicon, the 14 inch M1 Pro was available and little to no-one bothered with getting the old broken 13 inch M1 MBP. > No one with a budget is going "Oh, the M1 Pro only cost an extra $700USD, I'll get that". No one on a "budget" would get a computer that would cost more than $1,000 and it bricks on a system update / restore or chooses an Apple machine in the first place. Plenty of money saved up by then or financing options for the next version, instead of wasting it all on launch day and losing all your files next week. > What's the point of this comment? Things happen. It sucks. Apple isn't the first and won't be the last company to make a mistake. Don't get sucked into the shininess of their latest product. It is the truth of the matter and it happened very frequently on launch day with lots of users complaining that their shiny new computer bricked on an update / restore, etc and have lost all their files and are unable to use the computer. So once again... What use is a system for users that bricks on an update / restore; losing all your files and waiting months for the software one uses everyday to be available and supported for basic work? > Don't get sucked into the shininess of their latest product. Don't tell that to me, tell that to these people who fell for it. [0] [1] [2] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28090774 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28090774 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28940358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28940358 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27065953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27065953
scarface74 4y ago
Well actually, the Osborne Effect is s myth http://www.thesoftwareunderground.com/2005/06/osborne-effect-myth-or-reality.html http://www.thesoftwareunderground.com/2005/06/osborne-effect...