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> I don't think it has anything to do with Ukraine, Russia, human rights, etc. How do you rationalize Russia threatening to invade neighboring countries, such

> I don't think it has anything to do with Ukraine, Russia, human rights, etc. How do you rationalize Russia threatening to invade neighboring countries, such as Poland and Romania and all Baltic states, not to mention all the threats directed at Germany and the UK, and still claim that Russia is whimsically being made an example because of China?

AftHurrahWinch 4y ago
I think about the way the West reacted to the decades of post-Soviet Russian threats and warnings such as after Malaysia Air Flight 17, Gazprom's conduct around the Yamal pipelne, and the way they use Moldovan nationality to interfere with domestic Polish politics. Or even the difference between the reaction to Russia's conduct in Ukraine in 2014 as opposed to 2022. I think that Russia has been making threats for decades, yet the West's response has changed dramatically. Why now? The Guardian: "Fury as Russia presents 'evidence' Poland sided with Nazis before war" (2009) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/01/russia-poland-nazis-secret-documents https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/01/russia-poland-... Polityka: "Polish-Russian Relations: Bones of Contention Piling Up" (2012) https://web.archive.org/web/20120224013051/http://www.ziggi.pl/pdf_download.php?file=Ziggi%2F3_ziggis_corner_article.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20120224013051/http://www.ziggi.... The Moscow Times: "Poland Cancels Year of Bilateral Celebration With Russia Over Ukraine" (2014) https://old.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/poland-cancels-year-of-bilateral-celebration-with-russia-over-ukraine/504025.html https://old.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/poland-cancels-y... The Telegraph: "Ukraine crisis: Poland asks Nato to station 10,000 troops on its territory" (2014) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10737838/Ukraine-crisis-Poland-asks-Nato-to-station-10000-troops-on-its-territory.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10... BBC: "Russia bans Polish fruit and veg amid sanctions war" (2014) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28603140 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28603140 Nine O'Clock (of Bucharest): "Russia Warns Romania" (2015) http://www.nineoclock.ro/russia-warns-romania/ http://www.nineoclock.ro/russia-warns-romania/ BBC: "Russia warns Poland not to touch Soviet WW2 memorials" (2017) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40775355 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40775355 The NYT: "Burned by Russia, Poland Turns to U.S. for Natural Gas and Energy Security" (2019) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/business/poland-gas-lng-russia-usa.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/business/poland-gas-lng-r... In March 2020, the British government declared Russia the most "acute" threat to UK security in the Integrated Review. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975077/Global_Britain_in_a_Competitive_Age-_the_Integrated_Review_of_Security__Defence__Development_and_Foreign_Policy.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... In June 2021, a confrontation occurred between HMS Defender (D36) and the Russian Armed Forces in the 2021 Black Sea incident. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/p3Ibq https://ghostarchive.org/archive/p3Ibq
- arinlen 4y ago
  > I think about the way the West reacted to the decades (...) Your take reads like a terribly far fetched non-sequitur. You have right now Russia, a regime which has been invested in multiple invasion and annexation episodes in the present and recent past, invading and trying to annex Ukraine as we speak, and as we speak the ruling regime posts threats dedicated to all its neighboring countries, and the best argument you managed to put together to support your baseless assertion is a bunch of cherry-picked news clippings from years ago? Pray tell, how do you expect countries like Poland and Germany and the Baltic states and even Ukraine to Russia's violent, imperialistic and expansionist political agenda?
  - AftHurrahWinch 4y ago
    Sorry about that, I'm a poor writer. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I expect they'd react the way they did in the past.

AftHurrahWinch 4y ago

I think about the way the West reacted to the decades of post-Soviet Russian threats and warnings such as after Malaysia Air Flight 17, Gazprom's conduct around the Yamal pipelne, and the way they use Moldovan nationality to interfere with domestic Polish politics. Or even the difference between the reaction to Russia's conduct in Ukraine in 2014 as opposed to 2022. I think that Russia has been making threats for decades, yet the West's response has changed dramatically. Why now? The Guardian: "Fury as Russia presents 'evidence' Poland sided with Nazis before war" (2009) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/01/russia-poland-nazis-secret-documents https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/01/russia-poland-... Polityka: "Polish-Russian Relations: Bones of Contention Piling Up" (2012) https://web.archive.org/web/20120224013051/http://www.ziggi.pl/pdf_download.php?file=Ziggi%2F3_ziggis_corner_article.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20120224013051/http://www.ziggi.... The Moscow Times: "Poland Cancels Year of Bilateral Celebration With Russia Over Ukraine" (2014) https://old.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/poland-cancels-year-of-bilateral-celebration-with-russia-over-ukraine/504025.html https://old.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/poland-cancels-y... The Telegraph: "Ukraine crisis: Poland asks Nato to station 10,000 troops on its territory" (2014) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10737838/Ukraine-crisis-Poland-asks-Nato-to-station-10000-troops-on-its-territory.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10... BBC: "Russia bans Polish fruit and veg amid sanctions war" (2014) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28603140 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28603140 Nine O'Clock (of Bucharest): "Russia Warns Romania" (2015) http://www.nineoclock.ro/russia-warns-romania/ http://www.nineoclock.ro/russia-warns-romania/ BBC: "Russia warns Poland not to touch Soviet WW2 memorials" (2017) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40775355 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40775355 The NYT: "Burned by Russia, Poland Turns to U.S. for Natural Gas and Energy Security" (2019) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/business/poland-gas-lng-russia-usa.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/business/poland-gas-lng-r... In March 2020, the British government declared Russia the most "acute" threat to UK security in the Integrated Review. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975077/Global_Britain_in_a_Competitive_Age-_the_Integrated_Review_of_Security__Defence__Development_and_Foreign_Policy.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... In June 2021, a confrontation occurred between HMS Defender (D36) and the Russian Armed Forces in the 2021 Black Sea incident. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/p3Ibq https://ghostarchive.org/archive/p3Ibq

arinlen 4y ago
> I think about the way the West reacted to the decades (...) Your take reads like a terribly far fetched non-sequitur. You have right now Russia, a regime which has been invested in multiple invasion and annexation episodes in the present and recent past, invading and trying to annex Ukraine as we speak, and as we speak the ruling regime posts threats dedicated to all its neighboring countries, and the best argument you managed to put together to support your baseless assertion is a bunch of cherry-picked news clippings from years ago? Pray tell, how do you expect countries like Poland and Germany and the Baltic states and even Ukraine to Russia's violent, imperialistic and expansionist political agenda?
- AftHurrahWinch 4y ago
  Sorry about that, I'm a poor writer. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I expect they'd react the way they did in the past.