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If you haven't heard of Brave Goggles (https://github.com/brave/goggles-quickstart https://github.com/brave/goggles-quickstart) I highly recommend checking it o

by alxjsn 4y ago

If you haven't heard of Brave Goggles (https://github.com/brave/goggles-quickstart https://github.com/brave/goggles-quickstart) I highly recommend checking it out. Just being able to create the search index is a massive task, so being able to apply rules server-side to their "expanded recall set" will give you what most people building search engines want, which is to control the algorithm. We weren't able to do that until now since applying rules client-side doesn't work well on a small search result set. Related: I created a tool to create Goggles using subreddits as a signal source for domains: https://github.com/forcesunseen/narwhalizer https://github.com/forcesunseen/narwhalizer

mimimi31 4y ago
Kagi (https://kagi.com https://kagi.com) has very similar tools with their "Lenses" and customizable prioritization of specific domains.
- rtev 4y ago
  Kagi actually did it first, I think. Too bad everyone only knows about it via Brave, Kagi is an awesome search engine
  - scrollaway 4y ago
    Seconding, Kagi is great. I hope they succeed…
- Entinel 4y ago
  Kagi is a weird beast. I'd like to use it but I also don't understand how searches are private if I have to login. Not understanding that is definitely on me but I feel like it should be a frequent enough question that they try to make the answer obvious.
  - d4mi3n 4y ago
    This is an absolutely valid concern. The answer here, unfortunate as it is, is trust. There's probably things they can do here to remove the need for an actual identity (Mullvad's payment model comes to mind), but I suspect that takes more legal/financial infrastructure than they have access to at the moment. PS: I am not a lawyer, but for what it's worth, if you _pay_ for Kagi and they advertise their privacy policy as a feature you pay for (see https://kagi.com/privacy https://kagi.com/privacy), one could reasonable sue for false advertising or demand a refund for not providing a promised service. This would make any pushback subject to consumer protection laws in addition to whatever nascent privacy law they may be subject to.
  - lolinder 4y ago
    There's not much to understand about it, you just have to take their word for it that they're not storing anything. There's no way for the clients to enforce that, and I can't figure out any model that they could use to have a paid search engine that can guarantee privacy with zero trust. (Edit: a sibling points out Mullvad's payment model would help towards guaranteeing pseudonymity) I pay for Kagi less as a privacy thing and more because it's a better search engine and consistently gets me better results than Google does.
- pt_PT_guy 4y ago
  Kagi is awesome, but unfortunately too expensive
skybrian 4y ago
Seems like you're burying the lead a bit since your "Basic Usage" involves running some Docker instance for some reason and you don't need to do that just to try it out? It looks like Goggles are just text files hosted on GitHub or GitLab and you can try them out with Brave's search engine without installing anything. Some to try: https://search.brave.com/goggles/discover https://search.brave.com/goggles/discover The netsec Goggle is here: https://search.brave.com/goggles?goggles_id=https://github.com/forcesunseen/netsec-goggle/blob/master/netsec.goggle https://search.brave.com/goggles?goggles_id=https://github.c...
upupandup 4y ago
I see Brave. I close tab. I don't trust them or anybody that pushes their offerings which are just crypto ponzi schemes.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  The crypto stuff is disabled by default, get a new talking point.
  - upupandup 4y ago
    a deliberate ponzi enabling mechanism shouldn't even be available
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - 867-5309 4y ago
      at least they put the safety on before throwing you the gun
- UberFly 4y ago
  It's just a different revenue model than the usual ad garbage. You don't have to use it.
  - speedgoose 4y ago
    By using it, you make it relevant by increasing its market share, and therefore you support and promote the scam.
- metalliqaz 4y ago
  I thought Brave was just a web browser with built-in adblock, but after your comment I decided to look it up on wikipedia. Holey moley, what a nightmare.
  - 4y ago
stuntkite 4y ago
Interesting. Thank you for sharing. I’m excited to fork your repo.

by alxjsn 4y ago

mimimi31 4y ago

Kagi (https://kagi.com https://kagi.com) has very similar tools with their "Lenses" and customizable prioritization of specific domains.

rtev 4y ago
Kagi actually did it first, I think. Too bad everyone only knows about it via Brave, Kagi is an awesome search engine
- scrollaway 4y ago
  Seconding, Kagi is great. I hope they succeed…
Entinel 4y ago
Kagi is a weird beast. I'd like to use it but I also don't understand how searches are private if I have to login. Not understanding that is definitely on me but I feel like it should be a frequent enough question that they try to make the answer obvious.
- d4mi3n 4y ago
  This is an absolutely valid concern. The answer here, unfortunate as it is, is trust. There's probably things they can do here to remove the need for an actual identity (Mullvad's payment model comes to mind), but I suspect that takes more legal/financial infrastructure than they have access to at the moment. PS: I am not a lawyer, but for what it's worth, if you _pay_ for Kagi and they advertise their privacy policy as a feature you pay for (see https://kagi.com/privacy https://kagi.com/privacy), one could reasonable sue for false advertising or demand a refund for not providing a promised service. This would make any pushback subject to consumer protection laws in addition to whatever nascent privacy law they may be subject to.
- lolinder 4y ago
  There's not much to understand about it, you just have to take their word for it that they're not storing anything. There's no way for the clients to enforce that, and I can't figure out any model that they could use to have a paid search engine that can guarantee privacy with zero trust. (Edit: a sibling points out Mullvad's payment model would help towards guaranteeing pseudonymity) I pay for Kagi less as a privacy thing and more because it's a better search engine and consistently gets me better results than Google does.
pt_PT_guy 4y ago
Kagi is awesome, but unfortunately too expensive

skybrian 4y ago

Seems like you're burying the lead a bit since your "Basic Usage" involves running some Docker instance for some reason and you don't need to do that just to try it out? It looks like Goggles are just text files hosted on GitHub or GitLab and you can try them out with Brave's search engine without installing anything. Some to try: https://search.brave.com/goggles/discover https://search.brave.com/goggles/discover The netsec Goggle is here: https://search.brave.com/goggles?goggles_id=https://github.com/forcesunseen/netsec-goggle/blob/master/netsec.goggle https://search.brave.com/goggles?goggles_id=https://github.c...

upupandup 4y ago

I see Brave. I close tab. I don't trust them or anybody that pushes their offerings which are just crypto ponzi schemes.

hunterb123 4y ago
The crypto stuff is disabled by default, get a new talking point.
- upupandup 4y ago
  a deliberate ponzi enabling mechanism shouldn't even be available
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - 867-5309 4y ago
    at least they put the safety on before throwing you the gun
UberFly 4y ago
It's just a different revenue model than the usual ad garbage. You don't have to use it.
- speedgoose 4y ago
  By using it, you make it relevant by increasing its market share, and therefore you support and promote the scam.
metalliqaz 4y ago
I thought Brave was just a web browser with built-in adblock, but after your comment I decided to look it up on wikipedia. Holey moley, what a nightmare.
- 4y ago

stuntkite 4y ago

Interesting. Thank you for sharing. I’m excited to fork your repo.