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Honestly, it's a bit surprising that people find this surprising. Orcas are air-breathing mammals, and conscious breathers at that. They kill other mammals, nam

by bmitc 4y ago

Honestly, it's a bit surprising that people find this surprising. Orcas are air-breathing mammals, and conscious breathers at that. They kill other mammals, namely whales, often by drowning them intentionally. They know what drowning is. The other is that these are massive animals placed in water prisons, constantly exposed to the sun and concrete and fed fish they wouldn't eat in the wild. It would be like putting a human in a small 3'x3' box with the top exposed to the sun and fed dog food and then being surprised that they're on edge. That orca definitely killed the trainer on purpose or did it in a way such that it didn't care whether she lived or died and was releasing frustration. An orca could bite a human in half in the same way that a human can bite through jello, which shows that the orca was displaying frustration and exasperation. Orcas have committed suicide while in captivity, by intentionally and repeatedly ramming their heads into the concrete walls to cause brain hemorrhages or starving themselves. To be frank, it is mindblowing to me that people view these incidences as examples of orca intelligence rather than exhibitions of human cruelty and unintelligence.

seizethecheese 4y ago
It can be both. What an unnecessarily confrontational comment.
- _c3ag 4y ago
  UNNECESSARY? people, including me, went to this type of shit show and had fun. whales drowning humans is a slap on our history edit: and one reaaaaly primitive, you know, mammals only worth when on the sapiens sapiens ballpark
- bmitc 4y ago
  It shouldn't be both. I'll agree it is confrontational, but I addressed it to people in general, so it's meant to be confrontational to the collective. And it's justifiably so because these beings continue to be held in captivity, bred in captivity, and even captured from the wild to be held in captivity. It's pure torture that people charge for visitors to come and laugh and gawk at.
ironmagma 4y ago
> It would be like putting a human in a small 3'x3' box I get that you're trying to make a point, but this kind of hyperbole only discredits it. > Orcas have committed suicide while in captivity, by intentionally and repeatedly ramming their heads into the concrete walls to cause brain hemorrhages I think you mean AN orca did this (Hugo), and it was after being kept in solitary isolation for 12 years, something that SeaWorld thankfully doesn't do.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  > I get that you're trying to make a point, but this kind of hyperbole only discredits it. ...are you going to expand on why you think it's hyperbole?
  - ironmagma 4y ago
    Well, simple ratios. A human is roughly 6 feet tall, so a 3x3x3 box is a box with side length 1/2 of the height. The equivalent for an orca would be if you took an orca’s length, 26 feet, and had the enclosure be 13x13x13. The volume would be 2197 cubic feet, roughly 16,000 gallons that is. Seaworld Orlando’s enclosure is approx 6 million gallons, so that statement is off by about 37,500%.
- bmitc 4y ago
  > I get that you're trying to make a point, but this kind of hyperbole only discredits it. How is it hyperbole, exactly? https://www.thedodo.com/seaworld-tank-size-1282993451.html https://www.thedodo.com/seaworld-tank-size-1282993451.html https://www.thedodo.com/lolita-orca-45-years-1301583008.html https://www.thedodo.com/lolita-orca-45-years-1301583008.html Wild orcas travel on average 40 miles a day, can travel 100 miles in a single day, and make round trips in the thousands of miles. They dive several hundred feet every day. It isn't hyperbole unless you're going to bikeshed over the exact footage. The chemicals in the pool and drugs they are given are also another thing. > I think you mean AN orca did this Hugo was with a tank mate Lolita at the time but had been in isolation prior to that. Here's a recent case that was recorded: https://nymag.com/article/2016/06/did-a-depressed-seaworld-orca-try-to-commit-suicide.html https://nymag.com/article/2016/06/did-a-depressed-seaworld-o... Let's not act like the orca entertainment industry is forthcoming with data. https://inherentlywild.co.uk/deceased-orcas/ https://inherentlywild.co.uk/deceased-orcas/ There are cases of captive orcas arguably attempting suicide, either by intentional ramming, stranding, or starvation. It is indeed hard to find good data on this (I wonder why...), and so it is hard to state absolutes. This ignores the much more common and documented violent outbursts towards both trainers and fellow tankmates/cellmates induced by the stress they experience in captivity.

by bmitc 4y ago

seizethecheese 4y ago

It can be both. What an unnecessarily confrontational comment.

_c3ag 4y ago
UNNECESSARY? people, including me, went to this type of shit show and had fun. whales drowning humans is a slap on our history edit: and one reaaaaly primitive, you know, mammals only worth when on the sapiens sapiens ballpark
bmitc 4y ago
It shouldn't be both. I'll agree it is confrontational, but I addressed it to people in general, so it's meant to be confrontational to the collective. And it's justifiably so because these beings continue to be held in captivity, bred in captivity, and even captured from the wild to be held in captivity. It's pure torture that people charge for visitors to come and laugh and gawk at.

ironmagma 4y ago

> It would be like putting a human in a small 3'x3' box I get that you're trying to make a point, but this kind of hyperbole only discredits it. > Orcas have committed suicide while in captivity, by intentionally and repeatedly ramming their heads into the concrete walls to cause brain hemorrhages I think you mean AN orca did this (Hugo), and it was after being kept in solitary isolation for 12 years, something that SeaWorld thankfully doesn't do.

EdwardDiego 4y ago
> I get that you're trying to make a point, but this kind of hyperbole only discredits it. ...are you going to expand on why you think it's hyperbole?
- ironmagma 4y ago
  Well, simple ratios. A human is roughly 6 feet tall, so a 3x3x3 box is a box with side length 1/2 of the height. The equivalent for an orca would be if you took an orca’s length, 26 feet, and had the enclosure be 13x13x13. The volume would be 2197 cubic feet, roughly 16,000 gallons that is. Seaworld Orlando’s enclosure is approx 6 million gallons, so that statement is off by about 37,500%.
bmitc 4y ago
> I get that you're trying to make a point, but this kind of hyperbole only discredits it. How is it hyperbole, exactly? https://www.thedodo.com/seaworld-tank-size-1282993451.html https://www.thedodo.com/seaworld-tank-size-1282993451.html https://www.thedodo.com/lolita-orca-45-years-1301583008.html https://www.thedodo.com/lolita-orca-45-years-1301583008.html Wild orcas travel on average 40 miles a day, can travel 100 miles in a single day, and make round trips in the thousands of miles. They dive several hundred feet every day. It isn't hyperbole unless you're going to bikeshed over the exact footage. The chemicals in the pool and drugs they are given are also another thing. > I think you mean AN orca did this Hugo was with a tank mate Lolita at the time but had been in isolation prior to that. Here's a recent case that was recorded: https://nymag.com/article/2016/06/did-a-depressed-seaworld-orca-try-to-commit-suicide.html https://nymag.com/article/2016/06/did-a-depressed-seaworld-o... Let's not act like the orca entertainment industry is forthcoming with data. https://inherentlywild.co.uk/deceased-orcas/ https://inherentlywild.co.uk/deceased-orcas/ There are cases of captive orcas arguably attempting suicide, either by intentional ramming, stranding, or starvation. It is indeed hard to find good data on this (I wonder why...), and so it is hard to state absolutes. This ignores the much more common and documented violent outbursts towards both trainers and fellow tankmates/cellmates induced by the stress they experience in captivity.