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What happened?

by thedorkknight 4y ago

What happened?

djanogo 4y ago
They started censoring websites based on "political fake news" filter list supplied by MSM.
- Bilal_io 4y ago
  > based on "political fake news" filter list supplied by MSM Can you provide a citation for this?
  - behnamoh 4y ago
    Search HN, it was a big buzz recently.
    - rvz 4y ago
      DuckDuckGo's search manipulation is just no different to Google's since essentially they are using Microsoft Bing's search results. [0] So the manipulation, down-ranking and censoring of search results was inevitable with tons of evidence of this: [1][2][3][4] "At DuckDuckGo, we've been rolling out search updates that down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation.": [1] At this point, DDG is a front for Microsoft using 'privacy' buzzwords. Might as well use Brave Search then. [0] https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... [1] https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318 https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318 [2] https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-privacy-oops https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-p... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/hx5dn5/proof_duckduckgo_manipulates_search_results_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/hx5dn5/proof_du... [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635
  - codeecan 4y ago
    > Like so many others I am sickened by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the gigantic humanitarian crisis it continues to create. #StandWithUkraine At DuckDuckGo, we've been rolling out search updates that down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation. https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318 https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318 ----- > In addition to down-ranking sites associated with disinformation, we also often place news modules and information boxes at the top of DuckDuckGo search results (where they are seen and clicked the most) to highlight quality information for rapidly unfolding topics. https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501717193855283201 https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501717193855283201 ---- It should be obvious why this is problematic ...
    - yegg 4y ago
      FYI - I’m the founder and CEO of DuckDuckGo and responded to this in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32597340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32597340.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    https://mashable.com/article/duckduckgo-search-engine-russian-disinformation https://mashable.com/article/duckduckgo-search-engine-russia... Or search google yourself to get a broader picture.
Kye 4y ago
Some people are upset about a company curating the database it uses to return results.
- TopGreg 4y ago
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giancarlostoro 4y ago
During the Russia / Ukraine conflict the Duck Duck Go founder decided to filter out any results which are deemed as Russian misinformation. Censorship of any kind, is always still in the end, censorship. This is the gist of what everyone is upset about, of those who are upset. The entire point of DDG was that the search results were never to be tampered with for personalization reasons, censoring results due to political reasons seems to be a slippery slope.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  "The entire point of Company was ABC, doing 867 seems to be a slippery slope." Huh? I don't see how capturing personal information from users for any reason has anything whatsoever to do with omitting perceived misinformation from all users across the board. One can agree or disagree with the decision, but they are two entirely different issues in entirely different areas, and one is in no way a "slippery slope" toward the other.
- brnt 4y ago
  Censorship is always censorship, yes, and naivite is always naivite. Meet the tolerance paradox! Also, search engines have _as their sole purpose_ sorting their list of links by some measure of quality. Removing useless nonsense is what we go there for.

What happened?

djanogo 4y ago

They started censoring websites based on "political fake news" filter list supplied by MSM.

Bilal_io 4y ago
> based on "political fake news" filter list supplied by MSM Can you provide a citation for this?
- behnamoh 4y ago
  Search HN, it was a big buzz recently.
  - rvz 4y ago
    DuckDuckGo's search manipulation is just no different to Google's since essentially they are using Microsoft Bing's search results. [0] So the manipulation, down-ranking and censoring of search results was inevitable with tons of evidence of this: [1][2][3][4] "At DuckDuckGo, we've been rolling out search updates that down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation.": [1] At this point, DDG is a front for Microsoft using 'privacy' buzzwords. Might as well use Brave Search then. [0] https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/ https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... [1] https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318 https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318 [2] https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-privacy-oops https://www.vox.com/recode/22981115/duckduckgo-free-speech-p... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/hx5dn5/proof_duckduckgo_manipulates_search_results_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/hx5dn5/proof_du... [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635
- codeecan 4y ago
  > Like so many others I am sickened by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the gigantic humanitarian crisis it continues to create. #StandWithUkraine At DuckDuckGo, we've been rolling out search updates that down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation. https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318 https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501716484761997318 ----- > In addition to down-ranking sites associated with disinformation, we also often place news modules and information boxes at the top of DuckDuckGo search results (where they are seen and clicked the most) to highlight quality information for rapidly unfolding topics. https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501717193855283201 https://twitter.com/yegg/status/1501717193855283201 ---- It should be obvious why this is problematic ...
  - yegg 4y ago
    FYI - I’m the founder and CEO of DuckDuckGo and responded to this in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32597340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32597340.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  https://mashable.com/article/duckduckgo-search-engine-russian-disinformation https://mashable.com/article/duckduckgo-search-engine-russia... Or search google yourself to get a broader picture.

Kye 4y ago

Some people are upset about a company curating the database it uses to return results.

TopGreg 4y ago
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

giancarlostoro 4y ago

During the Russia / Ukraine conflict the Duck Duck Go founder decided to filter out any results which are deemed as Russian misinformation. Censorship of any kind, is always still in the end, censorship. This is the gist of what everyone is upset about, of those who are upset. The entire point of DDG was that the search results were never to be tampered with for personalization reasons, censoring results due to political reasons seems to be a slippery slope.

pwinnski 4y ago
"The entire point of Company was ABC, doing 867 seems to be a slippery slope." Huh? I don't see how capturing personal information from users for any reason has anything whatsoever to do with omitting perceived misinformation from all users across the board. One can agree or disagree with the decision, but they are two entirely different issues in entirely different areas, and one is in no way a "slippery slope" toward the other.
brnt 4y ago
Censorship is always censorship, yes, and naivite is always naivite. Meet the tolerance paradox! Also, search engines have _as their sole purpose_ sorting their list of links by some measure of quality. Removing useless nonsense is what we go there for.