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Sounds like you should move to a rural place, and that's great! There's plenty of that in the US. And it sounds like you live in a place where biking on the sid

Sounds like you should move to a rural place, and that's great! There's plenty of that in the US. And it sounds like you live in a place where biking on the sidewalk is legal, which I agree it shouldn't be (it's not here in NYC). But let's not throw away high density living because old people think the kids are making too much noise. As a New Yorker, I prefer the boisterousness of the city, because it sounds like joy to me. [1] [1] reminds me of this recent article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/09/let-brooklyn-be-loud/670600/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/09/let-bro...

vangelis 4y ago
If not having motorbikes ripping through the streets at 2am is gentrification, so be it.
- FearlessNebula 4y ago
  Yep. The freedom to mod your exhaust systems and blast your stereos does not trump other folks rights to peaceful sleep. Basically somebodies entertainment does not supersede other people's basic biological needs.
- mtalantikite 4y ago
  I mean sure, no one is happy about dirt bikes revving at 2am. But that happens so infrequently, why even bring it up? Gentrification sounds like the rich person across the street from me that just moved in yelling at the group of black people laughing and having fun on the street at midnight. It’s Brooklyn, get over it.
mancerayder 4y ago
NYC has an insane number of bikes on the sidewalks, especially e bikes, and especially in Manhattan, and especially in the non touristy areas.
- FearlessNebula 4y ago
  It sucks for pedestrians but I can't blame the bikers when the alternative is getting ran down in streets without bike lanes. But if there's a proper protected bike lane then there's no excuse for being on the sidewalk or going the wrong way.
  - mancerayder 4y ago
    Not blaming bikers (especially e bikers going 30 mph) for threatening pedestrian safety because theirs is threatened by cars on the road is utter nihilism, and the type of attitude that encourages me to leave the city. Another point against high density, so-called walkable cities. Going to my main rant above, high density without law enforcement is misery for any normal person.
- mtalantikite 4y ago
  The e-bike drivers jumping onto the sidewalk delivering door dash has certainly increased, but it’s not that bad. I’m dodging people with their dogs taking up the sidewalk a lot more than I am bikes. But really, it’s all good. I choose this to the alternatives any day!
FearlessNebula 4y ago
This article is ridiculous drivel. The author's point is basically that complaining about noise is another form of white people oppressing people of color? The author is complaining about being told to quiet down in libraries and homes. Let me give some perspective on the other side of this situation. In college one year I had 8 AM classes each day of the week which meant that if I wanted to have time to exercise I had to wake up at 6 AM to have time to eat, exercise, and shower. In order to get enough sleep I had to get into bed between 9:00 and 9:30. In college dorms I consistently had to call the RA and file noise complaints because were playing music and talking loudly. Good sleep is essential to your health, your freedom to experience joy by being loud as the author describes does not trump my right to basic peace and quiet. It's the same principle from COVID where people didn't want to wear a mask: your freedom ends where mine starts. A home or a library is not the place to be loud and boisterous, go to a student cafe or a bar or a restaurant. As somebody who suffers from tinnitus it feels like the same principle of how maddening it can be to never experience silence. I think a lot of people underestimate the impact that excess noise (and of course lack of sleep as a result of that) can have on your mental health. And of course people just chalk it up to old people complaining about kids. I'm in my 20s.
- mtalantikite 4y ago
  I’m sorry that the city noise makes it hard for you to sleep. As someone with tinnitus as well I know how it can be. Personally, for me I like to have the background noise of the city because it sounds like life to me. The loudest, most distracting thing to me is to be in a sealed up house with climate control and no outside noise, it makes the tinnitus really bad. Last time I found myself in that situation I had to find a way to open the windows, to at least hear the wind and the insects.

vangelis 4y ago

If not having motorbikes ripping through the streets at 2am is gentrification, so be it.

FearlessNebula 4y ago
Yep. The freedom to mod your exhaust systems and blast your stereos does not trump other folks rights to peaceful sleep. Basically somebodies entertainment does not supersede other people's basic biological needs.
mtalantikite 4y ago
I mean sure, no one is happy about dirt bikes revving at 2am. But that happens so infrequently, why even bring it up? Gentrification sounds like the rich person across the street from me that just moved in yelling at the group of black people laughing and having fun on the street at midnight. It’s Brooklyn, get over it.

mancerayder 4y ago

NYC has an insane number of bikes on the sidewalks, especially e bikes, and especially in Manhattan, and especially in the non touristy areas.

FearlessNebula 4y ago
It sucks for pedestrians but I can't blame the bikers when the alternative is getting ran down in streets without bike lanes. But if there's a proper protected bike lane then there's no excuse for being on the sidewalk or going the wrong way.
- mancerayder 4y ago
  Not blaming bikers (especially e bikers going 30 mph) for threatening pedestrian safety because theirs is threatened by cars on the road is utter nihilism, and the type of attitude that encourages me to leave the city. Another point against high density, so-called walkable cities. Going to my main rant above, high density without law enforcement is misery for any normal person.
mtalantikite 4y ago
The e-bike drivers jumping onto the sidewalk delivering door dash has certainly increased, but it’s not that bad. I’m dodging people with their dogs taking up the sidewalk a lot more than I am bikes. But really, it’s all good. I choose this to the alternatives any day!

FearlessNebula 4y ago

This article is ridiculous drivel. The author's point is basically that complaining about noise is another form of white people oppressing people of color? The author is complaining about being told to quiet down in libraries and homes. Let me give some perspective on the other side of this situation. In college one year I had 8 AM classes each day of the week which meant that if I wanted to have time to exercise I had to wake up at 6 AM to have time to eat, exercise, and shower. In order to get enough sleep I had to get into bed between 9:00 and 9:30. In college dorms I consistently had to call the RA and file noise complaints because were playing music and talking loudly. Good sleep is essential to your health, your freedom to experience joy by being loud as the author describes does not trump my right to basic peace and quiet. It's the same principle from COVID where people didn't want to wear a mask: your freedom ends where mine starts. A home or a library is not the place to be loud and boisterous, go to a student cafe or a bar or a restaurant. As somebody who suffers from tinnitus it feels like the same principle of how maddening it can be to never experience silence. I think a lot of people underestimate the impact that excess noise (and of course lack of sleep as a result of that) can have on your mental health. And of course people just chalk it up to old people complaining about kids. I'm in my 20s.

mtalantikite 4y ago
I’m sorry that the city noise makes it hard for you to sleep. As someone with tinnitus as well I know how it can be. Personally, for me I like to have the background noise of the city because it sounds like life to me. The loudest, most distracting thing to me is to be in a sealed up house with climate control and no outside noise, it makes the tinnitus really bad. Last time I found myself in that situation I had to find a way to open the windows, to at least hear the wind and the insects.