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>research may — inadvertently — stigmatize individuals or human groups. It may be discriminatory, racist, sexist, ableist or homophobic. It may provide justific

>research may — inadvertently — stigmatize individuals or human groups. It may be discriminatory, racist, sexist, ableist or homophobic. It may provide justification for undermining the human rights of specific groups, simply because of their social characteristics. Do these people think there are motherfucking X-Men living among us who we want to save from stigma? These kinds of statements read like the authors don't actually believe people are meaningfully equal.

dcow 4y ago
Exactly. What happens when some research may feel socially dirty but is actually a huge boon to some group? I can’t stand the privilege required to say you know better for some other group. Let groups of people stand up for themselves and call out BS when they see it. How can the hegemony possibly understand the feelings of minority groups?
FollowingTheDao 4y ago
> Do these people think there are motherfucking X-Men living among us In fact, there are. You know, we all have genetic differences, and most studies do not account for these genetic differences. So a medicine that helps one person might cause drug induced Lupus in another. Lithium is a good example of this stigma. I have Schizoaffective Bipolar Disorder and Lithium is constantly forces on me even though it does not work. I am what they call a "Lithium Non-Responder" and this has bee shown to be linked to varying genetics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4814312/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4814312/ The stigma is that researchers still think there is only one genetic human. And what do you think the X-Men was about? It was about genetic difference and mental health. It is about trying to have people see that we have value that others cannot see because all they see is the illness.
- implements 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbamazepine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbamazepine can be effective for those for whom Lithium is ineffective or causes adverse reactions.
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    Yes, been there. It gave me lupus symptoms. I have much better luck eating only seafood and no plant oils. These omega 3's inhibit these sodium channels as well as the calcium channels implicated in mood disorders. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20167245/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20167245/
User23 4y ago
What do you mean by “meaningfully equal?” It strikes me as a tricky set of not always terribly related concepts. As a Christian I believe all human beings are equal in inherent dignity. As an American who likes the Anglo-American legal tradition I believe that all people ought to be equal before the law, even though that’s observably not the case. As someone who has performed hundreds of tech interviews and worked in this industry a long time, I don’t believe people are remotely close to equal in developer ability or productivity and I don’t see any way they could be made to be without bringing high performers down to the lowest common denominator.
- 8note 4y ago
Animats 4y ago
"These kinds of statements read like the authors don't actually believe people are meaningfully equal." Right. Which is the problem. If differences between humans were down near the noise threshold, none of this would be an issue. What qualities should be valued or devalued, rewarded or punished, is an ethical and political issue. Measuring them is a scientific one. "Nature" is, supposedly, in the science business. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

dcow 4y ago

Exactly. What happens when some research may feel socially dirty but is actually a huge boon to some group? I can’t stand the privilege required to say you know better for some other group. Let groups of people stand up for themselves and call out BS when they see it. How can the hegemony possibly understand the feelings of minority groups?

FollowingTheDao 4y ago

> Do these people think there are motherfucking X-Men living among us In fact, there are. You know, we all have genetic differences, and most studies do not account for these genetic differences. So a medicine that helps one person might cause drug induced Lupus in another. Lithium is a good example of this stigma. I have Schizoaffective Bipolar Disorder and Lithium is constantly forces on me even though it does not work. I am what they call a "Lithium Non-Responder" and this has bee shown to be linked to varying genetics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4814312/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4814312/ The stigma is that researchers still think there is only one genetic human. And what do you think the X-Men was about? It was about genetic difference and mental health. It is about trying to have people see that we have value that others cannot see because all they see is the illness.

implements 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbamazepine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbamazepine can be effective for those for whom Lithium is ineffective or causes adverse reactions.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  Yes, been there. It gave me lupus symptoms. I have much better luck eating only seafood and no plant oils. These omega 3's inhibit these sodium channels as well as the calcium channels implicated in mood disorders. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20167245/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20167245/

User23 4y ago

What do you mean by “meaningfully equal?” It strikes me as a tricky set of not always terribly related concepts. As a Christian I believe all human beings are equal in inherent dignity. As an American who likes the Anglo-American legal tradition I believe that all people ought to be equal before the law, even though that’s observably not the case. As someone who has performed hundreds of tech interviews and worked in this industry a long time, I don’t believe people are remotely close to equal in developer ability or productivity and I don’t see any way they could be made to be without bringing high performers down to the lowest common denominator.

8note 4y ago

Animats 4y ago

"These kinds of statements read like the authors don't actually believe people are meaningfully equal." Right. Which is the problem. If differences between humans were down near the noise threshold, none of this would be an issue. What qualities should be valued or devalued, rewarded or punished, is an ethical and political issue. Measuring them is a scientific one. "Nature" is, supposedly, in the science business. Denial is not a river in Egypt.