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I work from home. I'd still rather drive most of the time than rely on transit and live anywhere more dense. E-biking is nice and I do it for exercise often, bu

I work from home. I'd still rather drive most of the time than rely on transit and live anywhere more dense. E-biking is nice and I do it for exercise often, but I wouldn't want to do it in the snow or rain, even with perfect separate bike lanes, no matter how much Netherlanders insist it's no big deal. My car has a comfortable seat, good sound system, a lot of my stuff in it, climate control, and no drug addicts accosting me for money inside it. I'll be glad to see bike infrastructure and more rail lines built out but I would never want to live somewhere without a car.

badpun 4y ago
> I work from home. I'd still rather drive most of the time than rely on transit and live anywhere more dense. E-biking is nice and I do it for exercise often, but I wouldn't want to do it in the snow or rain, even with perfect separate bike lanes, no matter how much Netherlanders insist it's no big deal. Yep. Not to mention, biking excludes a lot of people and is pretty ableist to be honest. I for one get sick very easily and having to bike during snow/rain seasons would mean I'm having a permanent low-mid grade cold.
- dont__panic 4y ago
  Recumbent bikes, e-bikes, and other alternatives (https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benefits-from-the-dutch-cycling-infrastructure/ https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benef...) make "bike infrastructure" accessible to pretty much anyone. Considering the fact that it's impossible to live in the USA outside of a nursing home if you lose your ability to drive due to old age... I'm not sure accessibility is a great argument for car-centric infrastructure.
  - jimmaswell 4y ago
    What percentage of people who are too old and disabled to drive a car are fit to ride a bike instead?
    - ryukafalz 4y ago
      You’re replying to a post where the source’s headline image is several people using mobility scooters on a cycle path.
      - aldonius 4y ago
        This. Good bike infra is also good mobility-scooter infra.
    - dont__panic 4y ago
      They should also be able to walk. If they can't walk, I suspect assisted living is the only option. Imagine you were diagnosed with epilepsy today, and it was so severe you lost your license to protect others. You can still walk around, take public transit -- probably even ride a bicycle. Where would you live in the USA today?
      - aerostable_slug 4y ago
        > If they can't walk, I suspect assisted living is the only option. This is just a terrible take. I have wrecked knees and there are times when I can't walk any significant distance, and I'm not even 50 years old. The f-cars people reek of ableism and it gets really tired, and I'm not even speaking from a position as a disabled person (more like occasionally inconvenienced).
        asdff 4y ago
        It's only ableist if your community is built solely around the car with no alternatives for these people who rely on cars for mobility due to these issues.
      - ryukafalz 4y ago
        > If they can't walk, I suspect assisted living is the only option. No, as mentioned in my sibling comment (and in the post you linked to earlier!) bike infrastructure also helps people who can't walk. Mobility scooters work fine on a bike path and people who can't walk (or have trouble walking) are among those who would use one. You just need your city design to accommodate it. Bike paths help, as do ramps into buildings or ground-level entrances. (I really wish we could popularize a term other than "bike lanes" for these in the US to acknowledge that they're useful for far more than just bikes.)
happymellon 4y ago
Is your city really that bad that you are afraid of a bus because it might have a drug addict on it?
- jimmaswell 4y ago
  "My city" would be NYC I guess, so sure. I live in a ruralish town though.

badpun 4y ago

> I work from home. I'd still rather drive most of the time than rely on transit and live anywhere more dense. E-biking is nice and I do it for exercise often, but I wouldn't want to do it in the snow or rain, even with perfect separate bike lanes, no matter how much Netherlanders insist it's no big deal. Yep. Not to mention, biking excludes a lot of people and is pretty ableist to be honest. I for one get sick very easily and having to bike during snow/rain seasons would mean I'm having a permanent low-mid grade cold.

dont__panic 4y ago
Recumbent bikes, e-bikes, and other alternatives (https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benefits-from-the-dutch-cycling-infrastructure/ https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/who-else-benef...) make "bike infrastructure" accessible to pretty much anyone. Considering the fact that it's impossible to live in the USA outside of a nursing home if you lose your ability to drive due to old age... I'm not sure accessibility is a great argument for car-centric infrastructure.
- jimmaswell 4y ago
  What percentage of people who are too old and disabled to drive a car are fit to ride a bike instead?
  - ryukafalz 4y ago
    You’re replying to a post where the source’s headline image is several people using mobility scooters on a cycle path.
    - aldonius 4y ago
      This. Good bike infra is also good mobility-scooter infra.
  - dont__panic 4y ago
    They should also be able to walk. If they can't walk, I suspect assisted living is the only option. Imagine you were diagnosed with epilepsy today, and it was so severe you lost your license to protect others. You can still walk around, take public transit -- probably even ride a bicycle. Where would you live in the USA today?
    - aerostable_slug 4y ago
      > If they can't walk, I suspect assisted living is the only option. This is just a terrible take. I have wrecked knees and there are times when I can't walk any significant distance, and I'm not even 50 years old. The f-cars people reek of ableism and it gets really tired, and I'm not even speaking from a position as a disabled person (more like occasionally inconvenienced).
      - asdff 4y ago
        It's only ableist if your community is built solely around the car with no alternatives for these people who rely on cars for mobility due to these issues.
    - ryukafalz 4y ago
      > If they can't walk, I suspect assisted living is the only option. No, as mentioned in my sibling comment (and in the post you linked to earlier!) bike infrastructure also helps people who can't walk. Mobility scooters work fine on a bike path and people who can't walk (or have trouble walking) are among those who would use one. You just need your city design to accommodate it. Bike paths help, as do ramps into buildings or ground-level entrances. (I really wish we could popularize a term other than "bike lanes" for these in the US to acknowledge that they're useful for far more than just bikes.)

happymellon 4y ago

Is your city really that bad that you are afraid of a bus because it might have a drug addict on it?

jimmaswell 4y ago
"My city" would be NYC I guess, so sure. I live in a ruralish town though.