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You're right - I do not want to live in dense cities. I did it for years, and hated it. I was happy when I was able to move out into a detached home where I can

You're right - I do not want to live in dense cities. I did it for years, and hated it. I was happy when I was able to move out into a detached home where I can use speakers and not have to worry about a neighbor getting angry. It's only one neighbor out of the 6 I would share separating walls with, but one is all it takes.

xsmasher 4y ago
If you could live in a detached home but the next block over had a restaurant or two and a small grocery, wouldn't that be pleasant? Zoning that allows ONLY single-family detached housing, and no retail or business, forces car-dependency. "Detached home or high-rise apartment in a city" is a false dichotomy.
- falcolas 4y ago
  > wouldn't that be pleasant Not really. Small grocery stores lack variety (by necessity, when their potential market is limited to families living in a 1-2 mile radius). Two restaurants lack variety. It makes for stupidly boring food choices over time. Frankly, I'd end up not using them, ordering even more over the internet, and interacting even less with folks nearby.
- mantas 4y ago
  As living in such place.. It's still „oh let's drive to bigger shop or THAT butcher this time“. Or „other“ restaurant. And people living downtown still do the same - driving to same big malls in outskirts, restaurants in other towns etc. The funniest case is when people live downtown and drive to non-downtown workplaces :)
- twblalock 4y ago
  > Zoning that allows ONLY single-family detached housing, and no retail or business, forces car-dependency. A lot of suburbs are not like that. I've lived in the Bay Area suburbs for most of my life and I don't think I've ever lived more than half a mile from a shopping center with a grocery store and restaurants. Every main road has them. Between the main roads, there are houses.

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You're right - I do not want to live in dense cities. I did it for years, and hated it. I was happy when I was able to move out into a detached home where I can

by falcolas 4y ago

xsmasher 4y ago
If you could live in a detached home but the next block over had a restaurant or two and a small grocery, wouldn't that be pleasant? Zoning that allows ONLY single-family detached housing, and no retail or business, forces car-dependency. "Detached home or high-rise apartment in a city" is a false dichotomy.
- falcolas 4y ago
  > wouldn't that be pleasant Not really. Small grocery stores lack variety (by necessity, when their potential market is limited to families living in a 1-2 mile radius). Two restaurants lack variety. It makes for stupidly boring food choices over time. Frankly, I'd end up not using them, ordering even more over the internet, and interacting even less with folks nearby.
- mantas 4y ago
  As living in such place.. It's still „oh let's drive to bigger shop or THAT butcher this time“. Or „other“ restaurant. And people living downtown still do the same - driving to same big malls in outskirts, restaurants in other towns etc. The funniest case is when people live downtown and drive to non-downtown workplaces :)
- twblalock 4y ago
  > Zoning that allows ONLY single-family detached housing, and no retail or business, forces car-dependency. A lot of suburbs are not like that. I've lived in the Bay Area suburbs for most of my life and I don't think I've ever lived more than half a mile from a shopping center with a grocery store and restaurants. Every main road has them. Between the main roads, there are houses.