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So if enough people believe OJ killed his ex-wife, we should shun him from society because it's no longer in "he said they said" territory? The rule of law and

So if enough people believe OJ killed his ex-wife, we should shun him from society because it's no longer in "he said they said" territory? The rule of law and due process are important factors. While you are personally free to refuse your own business to anyone based on any criteria you like, demanding and expecting others to do so based on what is ultimately hearsay is pure entitlement.

mschuster91 4y ago
It is not too much to expect of a dozens-of-billions-of-dollars worth multinational corporation to conduct an investigation based on that "hearsay" and to react on that investigation. Operating a global business does not absolve the business from the need to prevent harm caused by it, in fact some form of abuse management has been expected from any good Internet citizen since its inception, e.g. in Usenet [0] or e-mail in general [1]. Or for a real-life equivalent: if I were to stand outside of the home of a person and blaring into a megaphone that she deserve to die... I'd at least get the cops called on me for a noise violation or a harassment charge, and if I were to incite others or coordinate their behavior, I would get a conspiracy charge. Why should Internet trolls enjoy legal protection for the same behavior? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty [1] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2142.txt https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2142.txt
- simiones 4y ago
  > Or for a real-life equivalent: if I were to stand outside of the home of a person and blaring into a megaphone that she deserve to die... I'd at least get the cops called on me for a noise violation or a harassment charge, and if I were to incite others or coordinate their behavior, I would get a conspiracy charge. Why should Internet trolls enjoy legal protection for the same behavior? They shouldn't, but why would a coffee-shop down the street be held responsible for not serving them? This is the equivalent of what some people are asking of Cloudflare. I fully support people suing, or demanding the police or whoever is responsible investigate, KF. By most accounts, they are a horrible organization that are attacking and causing harm in the world. But we call the police when someone harasses us, we don't ask strangers to stop doing business with our harasser.
- reset-password 4y ago
  > It is not too much to expect of a dozens-of-billions-of-dollars worth multinational corporation to conduct an investigation based on that "hearsay" and to react on that investigation. Who is to say that they haven't done this already? It's been almost an entire week - not taking action could be very well be the reaction. Albeit not the one you are hoping to see. They don't owe you or anyone an explanation and anything they state could just be turned around against them by the next angry Twitter mob next week. > Or for a real-life equivalent: if I were to stand outside of the home of a person and blaring into a megaphone No. That is not equivalent to what is happening here. It's more like a bunch of people making fun of someone in a backyard, with the subject frequently walking by, taking offense, and then calling for the offender's landlord to break their lease with the occupant for allowing mean things to be said. If someone in real life called the police over this they'd be laughed at and told to walk down a different street next time. > Why should Internet trolls enjoy legal protection for the same behavior? They don't. If an internet troll commits a crime then they have no special protection from prosecution. And on the civil side if an internet troll is posting untrue defamatory content then there is also recourse for the victim. In fact as far as the legal system is concerned, the call by "Keffals" to attempt to intentionally damage the business relationship that kiwifarms has with Cloudflare falls dangerously close to tortious interference [0] in the US and something similar in Canada. The owner of kiwifarms may even have a civil case against them. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference
terminatornet 4y ago
you picked the absolute worst example. OJ 100% killed his wife.
- cdelsolar 4y ago
  why didn't the glove fit
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    Allegedly he didn't take some medication which caused his hand to swell up and not fit.

mschuster91 4y ago

It is not too much to expect of a dozens-of-billions-of-dollars worth multinational corporation to conduct an investigation based on that "hearsay" and to react on that investigation. Operating a global business does not absolve the business from the need to prevent harm caused by it, in fact some form of abuse management has been expected from any good Internet citizen since its inception, e.g. in Usenet [0] or e-mail in general [1]. Or for a real-life equivalent: if I were to stand outside of the home of a person and blaring into a megaphone that she deserve to die... I'd at least get the cops called on me for a noise violation or a harassment charge, and if I were to incite others or coordinate their behavior, I would get a conspiracy charge. Why should Internet trolls enjoy legal protection for the same behavior? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty [1] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2142.txt https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2142.txt

simiones 4y ago
> Or for a real-life equivalent: if I were to stand outside of the home of a person and blaring into a megaphone that she deserve to die... I'd at least get the cops called on me for a noise violation or a harassment charge, and if I were to incite others or coordinate their behavior, I would get a conspiracy charge. Why should Internet trolls enjoy legal protection for the same behavior? They shouldn't, but why would a coffee-shop down the street be held responsible for not serving them? This is the equivalent of what some people are asking of Cloudflare. I fully support people suing, or demanding the police or whoever is responsible investigate, KF. By most accounts, they are a horrible organization that are attacking and causing harm in the world. But we call the police when someone harasses us, we don't ask strangers to stop doing business with our harasser.
reset-password 4y ago
> It is not too much to expect of a dozens-of-billions-of-dollars worth multinational corporation to conduct an investigation based on that "hearsay" and to react on that investigation. Who is to say that they haven't done this already? It's been almost an entire week - not taking action could be very well be the reaction. Albeit not the one you are hoping to see. They don't owe you or anyone an explanation and anything they state could just be turned around against them by the next angry Twitter mob next week. > Or for a real-life equivalent: if I were to stand outside of the home of a person and blaring into a megaphone No. That is not equivalent to what is happening here. It's more like a bunch of people making fun of someone in a backyard, with the subject frequently walking by, taking offense, and then calling for the offender's landlord to break their lease with the occupant for allowing mean things to be said. If someone in real life called the police over this they'd be laughed at and told to walk down a different street next time. > Why should Internet trolls enjoy legal protection for the same behavior? They don't. If an internet troll commits a crime then they have no special protection from prosecution. And on the civil side if an internet troll is posting untrue defamatory content then there is also recourse for the victim. In fact as far as the legal system is concerned, the call by "Keffals" to attempt to intentionally damage the business relationship that kiwifarms has with Cloudflare falls dangerously close to tortious interference [0] in the US and something similar in Canada. The owner of kiwifarms may even have a civil case against them. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

terminatornet 4y ago

you picked the absolute worst example. OJ 100% killed his wife.

cdelsolar 4y ago
why didn't the glove fit
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Allegedly he didn't take some medication which caused his hand to swell up and not fit.