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For others feeling out of the loop: apparently one of Cloudfront's customers is "Kiwi Farms", which is apparently a discussion forum for trolls, some of whom ha

For others feeling out of the loop: apparently one of Cloudfront's customers is "Kiwi Farms", which is apparently a discussion forum for trolls, some of whom have apparently conducted swatting ("murder") attempts against trans activists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

convery 4y ago
It's pretty much the forum equivalent of LibsOfTiktok, people post clips / screenshots of people acting silly and people laugh at them. The site is constantly being DDoSed by the people/groups laughed at and Keffals (the latest big personality being silly) is now leading a crusade against Cloudflare to drop their DDoS protection so the attacks can be more effective. Worth noting is that the admins of that forum removes anything illegal and they make fun of everyone acting silly regardless of politics / ideology.
- psyc 4y ago
  I'd link to the thread, but the farms are presently under ongoing DDoS attack at the behest of one 'Keffals', noted Twitterninja and the Fastest Ratio-er in the Wild Wide Web. They have been having some trouble with n00bs trolling. What do you expect when the media and, frankly, most of you spend 7 years telling everybody it's a 'trolling and harassing forum', i.e. lying through your blueteeth, just because you want to see the site gone. The thread I was going to link is the sole site admin literally begging the n00bs (people who've joined relatively recently and think trolling is cool) to stop trolling the subjects. There are a lot of joke threads and the Kiwis are ironic in the extreme, but that thread is not a joke thread. It's been Josh's stance forever: look and laugh, don't mess with them. If you're an asshole and you want to make dumb trolling plans, do it elsewhere. It isn't just the admin and the mods, either. Pretty much all of the OG users have always tried to quash trolling talk as much as they can. What the hell else can they do? They can't control what a few of their thousands of users do off-site. Ask yourself if you want a global pseudo-public internet where any one of its critical private infrastructure companies can de facto censor the planet-wide web at the request of aggrieved Twitter mobs. Ugh. I don't think I have the energy for this today.
  - seemack 4y ago
    Their intent is all well and good but, from your description, it seems they are not capable of preventing this tool they've built for their own "fun" from being used from causing harassment and real life consequences for real people. It sucks for the people using it in the way it was intended but I would hope that they would agree their "fun" stops being fun when it's actively harming people.
    - psyc 4y ago
    - dmatech 4y ago
      Legally, there's no requirement that you moderate a forum so that its contents can't facilitate the commission of a crime (outside of a few things like DMCA anti-circumvention). If this were the case, everyone would have to be extremely careful when discussing anything dangerous, and most people would be hesitant to participate in the discussion at all for fear of being exposed to liability. In fact, even the person posting something like medical misinformation can't normally be sued.
- terminatornet 4y ago
  Guys, this is just a big misunderstanding! We're not swatting or doxxing anyone over on kiwifarms, we're just having a laugh! We're just big ol silly guys being silly!
- banannaise 4y ago
  > It's pretty much the forum equivalent of LibsOfTiktok, people post clips / screenshots of people acting silly and people laugh at them. This is a tremendous misunderstanding of LibsOfTiktok, for starters. The vast majority of content posted by LOTT is no longer social media content to be mocked. The majority is: 1. Event announcements, particularly for queer events, accompanied by a call to shut them down; naturally, their followers do so via a combination of attack threats and actual attacks on the events 2. news articles, some real and some hoax, framing the targets of (1) as acceptable targets
  - throwayyy479087 4y ago
    Going to need some enormous proof. Everything I've seen from them is just reposts crazy people
    - banannaise 4y ago
      just... scroll the first page of their twitter feed?
- terminatornet 4y ago
  > forum equivalent of LibsOfTiktok https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzv9a/libsoftiktok-trans-children-boston-hospital https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzv9a/libsoftiktok-trans-ch... "The account, run by Brooklyn real estate agent Chaya Raichik, tweeted on August 11 that “Boston Children's Hospital is now offering ‘gender-affirming hysterectomies’ for young girls.” The claim has been widely debunked by fact-checking groups—but as is typical in anti-trans rhetoric, facts rarely matter, and the claims were shared widely on right-wing social media accounts." What fun, silly stuff they have going on over at LibsOfTikTok. no one should have to be tolerant of intolerance.
kibwen 4y ago
In addition, their targeted harassment caused the developer of the world's most impressive and accurate SNES emulator to commit sucide, as was discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814 Prior coverage of Near's incredible dedication to accurate emulation via decapping actual SNES ROMs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675123 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675123
- convery 4y ago
  - delroth 4y ago
    Neither is anyone since May 2021 (even though the data had an average rate of right 1/month before that). I guess the US expats in Japan have figured out immortality and aren't sharing. Or, maybe the data source is absolutely useless and incomplete?
    - convery 4y ago
      If there's anyone I'd trust on stats it's the IRS and related agencies. Also, no Americans dying in a country that's been strict on lockdowns for the past year seems plausible, especially if the average when people could freely come and go was < 12 a year.
      - delroth 4y ago
        Literally every individual claim in your message is trivially wrong. 1. The IRS is not involved, it's the department of state collecting these statistics. 2. Japan has been in and out of lockdowns since 2020 like most countries in the world, and nothing particularly changed in May 2021. If anything travel rules are laxer since then with most business travel and family visits being authorized again. 3. Your statistical claim that 15 months of no deaths (previous data: average 26 days between deaths, max 81 days) is plausible is beyond absurd. Please show your maths, I'm not going to spend time on my phone doing probability distributions for you at this point because you must be trolling. I'm appalled that you're spending your time trying to convince strangers on the internet that my friend faked their death. Do you really have nothing better to do with your life than to shit on those who lost theirs?
chroma 4y ago
Cloudflare also provides services for the Westboro Baptist Church[1] and helps serve copies of Dabiq (the Islamic State’s propaganda magazine).[2] They treat hosting like a utility and I’m glad they do. It’s not Cloudflare’s job to determine what I’m allowed to read online. 1. https://godhatesfags.com/ https://godhatesfags.com/ 2. https://clarionproject.org/wp-content/uploads/islamic-state-isis-isil-dabiq-magazine-issue-12-just-terror.pdf https://clarionproject.org/wp-content/uploads/islamic-state-... (Warning this is very NSFW.)

convery 4y ago

It's pretty much the forum equivalent of LibsOfTiktok, people post clips / screenshots of people acting silly and people laugh at them. The site is constantly being DDoSed by the people/groups laughed at and Keffals (the latest big personality being silly) is now leading a crusade against Cloudflare to drop their DDoS protection so the attacks can be more effective. Worth noting is that the admins of that forum removes anything illegal and they make fun of everyone acting silly regardless of politics / ideology.

psyc 4y ago
I'd link to the thread, but the farms are presently under ongoing DDoS attack at the behest of one 'Keffals', noted Twitterninja and the Fastest Ratio-er in the Wild Wide Web. They have been having some trouble with n00bs trolling. What do you expect when the media and, frankly, most of you spend 7 years telling everybody it's a 'trolling and harassing forum', i.e. lying through your blueteeth, just because you want to see the site gone. The thread I was going to link is the sole site admin literally begging the n00bs (people who've joined relatively recently and think trolling is cool) to stop trolling the subjects. There are a lot of joke threads and the Kiwis are ironic in the extreme, but that thread is not a joke thread. It's been Josh's stance forever: look and laugh, don't mess with them. If you're an asshole and you want to make dumb trolling plans, do it elsewhere. It isn't just the admin and the mods, either. Pretty much all of the OG users have always tried to quash trolling talk as much as they can. What the hell else can they do? They can't control what a few of their thousands of users do off-site. Ask yourself if you want a global pseudo-public internet where any one of its critical private infrastructure companies can de facto censor the planet-wide web at the request of aggrieved Twitter mobs. Ugh. I don't think I have the energy for this today.
- seemack 4y ago
  Their intent is all well and good but, from your description, it seems they are not capable of preventing this tool they've built for their own "fun" from being used from causing harassment and real life consequences for real people. It sucks for the people using it in the way it was intended but I would hope that they would agree their "fun" stops being fun when it's actively harming people.
  - psyc 4y ago
  - dmatech 4y ago
    Legally, there's no requirement that you moderate a forum so that its contents can't facilitate the commission of a crime (outside of a few things like DMCA anti-circumvention). If this were the case, everyone would have to be extremely careful when discussing anything dangerous, and most people would be hesitant to participate in the discussion at all for fear of being exposed to liability. In fact, even the person posting something like medical misinformation can't normally be sued.
terminatornet 4y ago
Guys, this is just a big misunderstanding! We're not swatting or doxxing anyone over on kiwifarms, we're just having a laugh! We're just big ol silly guys being silly!
banannaise 4y ago
> It's pretty much the forum equivalent of LibsOfTiktok, people post clips / screenshots of people acting silly and people laugh at them. This is a tremendous misunderstanding of LibsOfTiktok, for starters. The vast majority of content posted by LOTT is no longer social media content to be mocked. The majority is: 1. Event announcements, particularly for queer events, accompanied by a call to shut them down; naturally, their followers do so via a combination of attack threats and actual attacks on the events 2. news articles, some real and some hoax, framing the targets of (1) as acceptable targets
- throwayyy479087 4y ago
  Going to need some enormous proof. Everything I've seen from them is just reposts crazy people
  - banannaise 4y ago
    just... scroll the first page of their twitter feed?
terminatornet 4y ago
> forum equivalent of LibsOfTiktok https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzv9a/libsoftiktok-trans-children-boston-hospital https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzv9a/libsoftiktok-trans-ch... "The account, run by Brooklyn real estate agent Chaya Raichik, tweeted on August 11 that “Boston Children's Hospital is now offering ‘gender-affirming hysterectomies’ for young girls.” The claim has been widely debunked by fact-checking groups—but as is typical in anti-trans rhetoric, facts rarely matter, and the claims were shared widely on right-wing social media accounts." What fun, silly stuff they have going on over at LibsOfTikTok. no one should have to be tolerant of intolerance.

kibwen 4y ago

In addition, their targeted harassment caused the developer of the world's most impressive and accurate SNES emulator to commit sucide, as was discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814 Prior coverage of Near's incredible dedication to accurate emulation via decapping actual SNES ROMs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675123 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675123

convery 4y ago
- delroth 4y ago
  Neither is anyone since May 2021 (even though the data had an average rate of right 1/month before that). I guess the US expats in Japan have figured out immortality and aren't sharing. Or, maybe the data source is absolutely useless and incomplete?
  - convery 4y ago
    If there's anyone I'd trust on stats it's the IRS and related agencies. Also, no Americans dying in a country that's been strict on lockdowns for the past year seems plausible, especially if the average when people could freely come and go was < 12 a year.
    - delroth 4y ago
      Literally every individual claim in your message is trivially wrong. 1. The IRS is not involved, it's the department of state collecting these statistics. 2. Japan has been in and out of lockdowns since 2020 like most countries in the world, and nothing particularly changed in May 2021. If anything travel rules are laxer since then with most business travel and family visits being authorized again. 3. Your statistical claim that 15 months of no deaths (previous data: average 26 days between deaths, max 81 days) is plausible is beyond absurd. Please show your maths, I'm not going to spend time on my phone doing probability distributions for you at this point because you must be trolling. I'm appalled that you're spending your time trying to convince strangers on the internet that my friend faked their death. Do you really have nothing better to do with your life than to shit on those who lost theirs?

chroma 4y ago

Cloudflare also provides services for the Westboro Baptist Church[1] and helps serve copies of Dabiq (the Islamic State’s propaganda magazine).[2] They treat hosting like a utility and I’m glad they do. It’s not Cloudflare’s job to determine what I’m allowed to read online. 1. https://godhatesfags.com/ https://godhatesfags.com/ 2. https://clarionproject.org/wp-content/uploads/islamic-state-isis-isil-dabiq-magazine-issue-12-just-terror.pdf https://clarionproject.org/wp-content/uploads/islamic-state-... (Warning this is very NSFW.)