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Users' natural inclination is to read a site's content, as well. Why not design with that same behavior in mind? What you're saying is that a site's design pur

by ggwicz 15y ago

Users' natural inclination is to read a site's content, as well. Why not design with that same behavior in mind? What you're saying is that a site's design purpose is to get people to read content; so build the site using unreadable text so that you don't have to be aware of that purpose...I disagree, and made this little site for me and anyone else who wants more than pseudo-Latin nonsense that objectifies content.

andrewfelix 15y ago
I understand your rationale, and it's a great tool you've built. But I don't see how you can say that your text 'objectifies content'. You seem to be confusing readability and legibility. Lorem Ipsum is unreadable in so much as it has no meaning. However it's perfectly good at communicating legibility. Adding abstract and unrelated meaning to dummy text does not objectify the content or add any value. IMO it does the opposite as it adds an unnecessary distraction and creates an association with what is probably an unrelated subject.
- ggwicz 15y ago
  I feel that adding abstract meaning to content does objectify the content (in our case, using Lorem Ipsum). I speak English and work with English speakers. The text from classicipsum is only a better option than Lorem Ipsum, it is not ideal; but for us English speakers, the actual English content, in my opinion, catches the eye more realistically. Even the way English is structured, with commas, clauses, punctuation, etc., is captured better in actual English than in a pseudolatin language. To me it just seems that if you're designing a site for predominantly English visitors, you wouldn't use Polish or Spanish or German text in the design. Yet we use gibberish Lorem Ipsum because well, hey, that's what that other designers do. It just seems wonky to me... On the other hand, I am working with people in the Netherlands right now. For the Dutch version of their site, I used Dutch content. It just makes more sense to me. Every language has its own quirks and using real content, especially from literature, captures form and matches reality more than a fake language.
  - andrewfelix 15y ago
    "Yet we use gibberish Lorem Ipsum because well, hey, that's what that other designers do" I explained why I use Lorem Ipsum, and that clearly was not the reason. I appreciate the detailed responses, but don't misconstrue my argument.
    - ggwicz 15y ago
      That statement was not in reference to you; I'm referring to the fact that Lorem Ipsum is just a popular thing to do. Many people don't think about it like you are and simply do it because the design crowd at large does it.

by ggwicz 15y ago

andrewfelix 15y ago

I understand your rationale, and it's a great tool you've built. But I don't see how you can say that your text 'objectifies content'. You seem to be confusing readability and legibility. Lorem Ipsum is unreadable in so much as it has no meaning. However it's perfectly good at communicating legibility. Adding abstract and unrelated meaning to dummy text does not objectify the content or add any value. IMO it does the opposite as it adds an unnecessary distraction and creates an association with what is probably an unrelated subject.

ggwicz 15y ago
I feel that adding abstract meaning to content does objectify the content (in our case, using Lorem Ipsum). I speak English and work with English speakers. The text from classicipsum is only a better option than Lorem Ipsum, it is not ideal; but for us English speakers, the actual English content, in my opinion, catches the eye more realistically. Even the way English is structured, with commas, clauses, punctuation, etc., is captured better in actual English than in a pseudolatin language. To me it just seems that if you're designing a site for predominantly English visitors, you wouldn't use Polish or Spanish or German text in the design. Yet we use gibberish Lorem Ipsum because well, hey, that's what that other designers do. It just seems wonky to me... On the other hand, I am working with people in the Netherlands right now. For the Dutch version of their site, I used Dutch content. It just makes more sense to me. Every language has its own quirks and using real content, especially from literature, captures form and matches reality more than a fake language.
- andrewfelix 15y ago
  "Yet we use gibberish Lorem Ipsum because well, hey, that's what that other designers do" I explained why I use Lorem Ipsum, and that clearly was not the reason. I appreciate the detailed responses, but don't misconstrue my argument.
  - ggwicz 15y ago
    That statement was not in reference to you; I'm referring to the fact that Lorem Ipsum is just a popular thing to do. Many people don't think about it like you are and simply do it because the design crowd at large does it.