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He used tutorials, obviously. There's tons of tutorials on the internet. Especially ones that will teach you to write a 3D engine in javascript. It's not that i

He used tutorials, obviously. There's tons of tutorials on the internet. Especially ones that will teach you to write a 3D engine in javascript. It's not that impressive to follow a tutorial.

ctrlmeta 4y ago
How do you know what he used? Have you met him or talked to him? So only inventing a 3D engine from scratch from your own brain is impressive? Learning from tutorials, books, papers, etc. is not? I don't know how you learn a new skill but I learn from tutorials, books, papers, lectures, videos. It is impressive to me as long as someone can learn, apply and do something creative. What is absolutely unimpressive is dissing on others' projects and accomplishments.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
zaphar 4y ago
Rather than the OP coming off as arrogant. This thread is instead making you look pretty arrogant. Having a goal is not arrogance. Tearing someone down for having that goal certainly does come off as arrogant though.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
  I'm coming off as highly negative. I completely admit that. But arrogant? I'm not arrogant. In order for me to be arrogant, I would have to advertise and over blow my own abilities. Which I haven't. You should look up the word before you use it incorrectly. Also, you have to realize OP is not a kid. If a young kid was saying this stuff, I'd be encouraging. But he's basically an adult. And I'm not tearing him down, I'm telling him he'll turn out average. Additionally the OP is bragging about his accomplishments. It's literally the definition of arrogant.
  - zaphar 4y ago
    How people perceive you is not dictated by a precise definition of the word. You seem to be aware that people are perceiving you in a particular way but rather than adjusting your communication you are trying to argue with them about their interpretation instead. I don't know you and it's perfectly possible that if we were having beers I would think you were a perfectly reasonable person. But be aware that in text this: You should look up the word before you use it incorrectly. comes across as arrogant whether you intended it to or not. And continuing to use your current style of phrasing is gong to continue to make people think you are arrogant regardless of whether you actually are or not.
    - deltasevennine 4y ago
      >How people perceive you is not dictated by a precise definition of the word. So? Is my objective centered around perception? No. >You seem to be aware that people are perceiving you in a particular way but rather than adjusting your communication you are trying to argue with them about their interpretation instead. No, I'm correcting a person about wrong usage of a particular vocabulary word. >... comes across as arrogant I think that's a reasonable response given that someone called me arrogant. You think you can go around calling someone arrogant and not have a little retaliation in the response? Are you yourself not aware of your own words? I'm perfectly aware of the subtleties my response entails.
      - zaphar 4y ago
        I was trying to help you understand why you were getting the responses you were getting. Since it appears that you intend for this perception to exist I guess we are done.
        deltasevennine 4y ago
        I understand why, and I expected it. There's a greater lesson to be learned from your end, that perception != everything. That truth is hidden in the messages poorly received. You would do well to learn that rather then attempting to always teach other people obvious things, sometimes you yourself is the person that is acting immature and needs to learn something less obvious. Think about what I said to this person and whether the OP will end up as one of the greatest programmers or just average. In probability, who told him the truth. Are you even aware that attempting to teach someone something by calling them "arrogant" will lead to nothing? That's another lesson for you. To teach is not to insult, but to respect another persons opinion while providing your own. I'm not respecting your opinion, so my intention isn't to teach you anything. It's to dominate... this is your own intention as well... I mean with phrases like... "we're done here"... let's be real; what's going on in this thread is an argument, you weren't trying to teach my anything.
owenpalmer 4y ago
Actually, no. I never used a tutorial for ANY of those projects. Please don't assume things like that.
- deltasevennine 4y ago
  I find it highly unlikely. Either a tutorial was used to build something before or lessons were learned from reading some sort of instructional material.
  - owenpalmer 4y ago
    The only materials I used were JavaScript documentation and math I learned in 8th grade (I was a few grades ahead). I didn't need tutorials. Sometimes I literally dreamed about those projects at night. Occasionally I would see solutions to the problem in the dream, and implement it in the morning. You are plagued with doubt.
    - deltasevennine 4y ago
    - dang 4y ago
      Hi Owen - I'm a moderator here and would first like to say that you are welcome on Hacker News and I hope you find lots of interesting things here for years to come. Here's my suggestion—I don't know if it will help you become one of the best programmers ever [1] but it will be helpful in general if you can pull it off: when encountering hostile/critical/uncharitable comments on the internet - don't respond. It may not look like it, but the way the internet game really works is that the first person who stops reacting wins. It's not easy, because these comments sting. The trick is to learn to feel the sting and absorb it, i.e. let it run through your system without responding until the bad feeling goes away and you have no more need to respond. At that point you are free. If you think of it as a kind of training challenge, it might get easier. By the way, a lot of HN users used to be precocious kids whose self-worth got bound up with how good they were at being smart-while-young, and also with being the "smartest kid" in their world. That's my own story, and it's the story of a lot of people here. When someone like yourself comes along, who's obviously smart and still very young, it can trigger insecurities in people like us, even decades later. The solution is to realize that it's (a) not your problem, and (b) not interesting—and then (c) to focus on engaging with people who actually have something interesting to teach you. Fortunately there are a lot of those here, too! [1] It might, though, because it has to do with focus.

He used tutorials, obviously. There's tons of tutorials on the internet. Especially ones that will teach you to write a 3D engine in javascript. It's not that impressive to follow a tutorial.

ctrlmeta 4y ago

How do you know what he used? Have you met him or talked to him? So only inventing a 3D engine from scratch from your own brain is impressive? Learning from tutorials, books, papers, etc. is not? I don't know how you learn a new skill but I learn from tutorials, books, papers, lectures, videos. It is impressive to me as long as someone can learn, apply and do something creative. What is absolutely unimpressive is dissing on others' projects and accomplishments.

deltasevennine 4y ago

zaphar 4y ago

Rather than the OP coming off as arrogant. This thread is instead making you look pretty arrogant. Having a goal is not arrogance. Tearing someone down for having that goal certainly does come off as arrogant though.

deltasevennine 4y ago
I'm coming off as highly negative. I completely admit that. But arrogant? I'm not arrogant. In order for me to be arrogant, I would have to advertise and over blow my own abilities. Which I haven't. You should look up the word before you use it incorrectly. Also, you have to realize OP is not a kid. If a young kid was saying this stuff, I'd be encouraging. But he's basically an adult. And I'm not tearing him down, I'm telling him he'll turn out average. Additionally the OP is bragging about his accomplishments. It's literally the definition of arrogant.
- zaphar 4y ago
  How people perceive you is not dictated by a precise definition of the word. You seem to be aware that people are perceiving you in a particular way but rather than adjusting your communication you are trying to argue with them about their interpretation instead. I don't know you and it's perfectly possible that if we were having beers I would think you were a perfectly reasonable person. But be aware that in text this: You should look up the word before you use it incorrectly. comes across as arrogant whether you intended it to or not. And continuing to use your current style of phrasing is gong to continue to make people think you are arrogant regardless of whether you actually are or not.
  - deltasevennine 4y ago
    >How people perceive you is not dictated by a precise definition of the word. So? Is my objective centered around perception? No. >You seem to be aware that people are perceiving you in a particular way but rather than adjusting your communication you are trying to argue with them about their interpretation instead. No, I'm correcting a person about wrong usage of a particular vocabulary word. >... comes across as arrogant I think that's a reasonable response given that someone called me arrogant. You think you can go around calling someone arrogant and not have a little retaliation in the response? Are you yourself not aware of your own words? I'm perfectly aware of the subtleties my response entails.
    - zaphar 4y ago
      I was trying to help you understand why you were getting the responses you were getting. Since it appears that you intend for this perception to exist I guess we are done.
      - deltasevennine 4y ago
        I understand why, and I expected it. There's a greater lesson to be learned from your end, that perception != everything. That truth is hidden in the messages poorly received. You would do well to learn that rather then attempting to always teach other people obvious things, sometimes you yourself is the person that is acting immature and needs to learn something less obvious. Think about what I said to this person and whether the OP will end up as one of the greatest programmers or just average. In probability, who told him the truth. Are you even aware that attempting to teach someone something by calling them "arrogant" will lead to nothing? That's another lesson for you. To teach is not to insult, but to respect another persons opinion while providing your own. I'm not respecting your opinion, so my intention isn't to teach you anything. It's to dominate... this is your own intention as well... I mean with phrases like... "we're done here"... let's be real; what's going on in this thread is an argument, you weren't trying to teach my anything.

owenpalmer 4y ago

Actually, no. I never used a tutorial for ANY of those projects. Please don't assume things like that.

deltasevennine 4y ago
I find it highly unlikely. Either a tutorial was used to build something before or lessons were learned from reading some sort of instructional material.
- owenpalmer 4y ago
  The only materials I used were JavaScript documentation and math I learned in 8th grade (I was a few grades ahead). I didn't need tutorials. Sometimes I literally dreamed about those projects at night. Occasionally I would see solutions to the problem in the dream, and implement it in the morning. You are plagued with doubt.
  - deltasevennine 4y ago
  - dang 4y ago
    Hi Owen - I'm a moderator here and would first like to say that you are welcome on Hacker News and I hope you find lots of interesting things here for years to come. Here's my suggestion—I don't know if it will help you become one of the best programmers ever [1] but it will be helpful in general if you can pull it off: when encountering hostile/critical/uncharitable comments on the internet - don't respond. It may not look like it, but the way the internet game really works is that the first person who stops reacting wins. It's not easy, because these comments sting. The trick is to learn to feel the sting and absorb it, i.e. let it run through your system without responding until the bad feeling goes away and you have no more need to respond. At that point you are free. If you think of it as a kind of training challenge, it might get easier. By the way, a lot of HN users used to be precocious kids whose self-worth got bound up with how good they were at being smart-while-young, and also with being the "smartest kid" in their world. That's my own story, and it's the story of a lot of people here. When someone like yourself comes along, who's obviously smart and still very young, it can trigger insecurities in people like us, even decades later. The solution is to realize that it's (a) not your problem, and (b) not interesting—and then (c) to focus on engaging with people who actually have something interesting to teach you. Fortunately there are a lot of those here, too! [1] It might, though, because it has to do with focus.