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Protonmail Recommended Browsers
- jug 4y agoWhy are not the two comparatively huge browsers (at least to Tor and Brave!) Edge or Safari covered in the "Learn more" section? How do these compare to Chrome. I feel like they are obliged to cover them if they put them in the other "less respecting" list.
- toto444 4y agoI tried to log in with the DuckDuckGo browser on my tablet yesterday and could not because it is not in this list.
- 0xChain 4y ago
- keriati1 4y agoIt's good to see Firefox on top of this list. Is Protonmail usually accessed through web clients? I only use native iOS client and MacOS Mail with the Bridge app. Somehow I would expect Protonmail users to not use the web client so much, maybe I am wrong.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 4y agoWell... Protonmail happens to be the only e-mail provider that cannot fully be used as intended using just NMAP, because the core feature is its proprietary encryption and related features. So I would guess it's probably a singular outlier in having more web client users, rather than less.
- noisem4ker 4y agoNitpick: I think you meant IMAP (a standard email client protocol) instead of NMAP (a port scanning program).
- tlavoie 4y agoI dunno, there are some pretty neat NSE scripts.
- tremon 4y agoPartly true: you can install a local IMAP gateway (Proton Mail Bridge) to access your inbox from normal MUAs. FAFAIK it supports all regular IMAP operations.
- wsername_with_w 4y ago
- zinekeller 4y agoSome people use ProtonMail because it's precisely not Google, and most who are using it as Gmail replacement will still use it in-browser (as opposed to using it in Thunderbird or something else).
- Bayart 4y agoI use the web client at work because I'd rather not go through the involved process of installing something.
- gherkinnn 4y agoWeb client on desktop, native app on my phone. It's the easiest. I use Protonmail because it's not Google and pleasant enough to use.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 4y agosame here, web client on desktop, app on phone.
- fzfaa 4y agoYou can only use a desktop app if you pay for protonmail. I suppose almost all protonmail users are free users and therefore they can only use the website.
- wsername_with_w 4y agoI pay for Protonmail and use the web client on desktop. I hope that many other are paying users too, because there are no ads. And without paying clients, how can a service like Protonmail survive?
- patall 4y agoWhile I am using it, the android client sometimes has problems refreshing for me. So if I was waiting for something urgent, I would probably use the web client.
- pwpw 4y agoTry disabling alternative routing in the settings. Solved all refreshing problems for me.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 4y agoProtonmail and Brave do indeed seem like a good fit. Two somewhat sketchy, very commercial outfits that market themselves as more private than the competition and that will gladly break existing standards and practices to so. They also seem to attract surprisingly similar groups of users, including a larger-than-chance overlap. Protonmail, in particular, seems to have become a sort of running joke as the e-mail provider of choice to send threatening mails in all-caps.
- Kyrio 4y agoI spotted a Proton address in the movie Knives Out (2019). It was used by the villain, naturally.
- 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 4y agoYou're just making stuff up now.
- lfkdev 4y agoI see critics on Protonmail, but Brave is an absolut legit fully open-sourced project. Nothing Sketchy, and no the opt-in Crypto Program is also nothing sketcht.
- Yizahi 4y agoThe sketchy part is being a Chrome clone while pretending to be a "different" browser.
- 988747 4y agoTo create a web browser you need some kind of rendering engine. And writing rendering engine that correctly handles current HTML, JavaScript, CSS specifications is hard. On top of that you build features like bookmarks, password manager, etc. I do not have a problem with some browser using Chrome rendering engine, if they remove all the sketchy parts, like sending every url that you browse to some central database, or backing up your passwords on Google server. So, in the end, being based on Chrome rendering engine is not a damning quality in itself.
- deepstack 4y agoWhy is safari/webkit not in there. It my understanding that it's the most privacy respecting browser in the area of finger printing.
- brobinson 4y agoLibrewolf wins those competitions by a mile.
- wanderingmind 4y agoSo does ArkenFox that works within Firefox and hardens it without a new clone of the browser
- robot9000 4y agoApple collects your browsing history, something which I have yet to find a good explanation for. https://apps.apple.com/zm/app/safari/id1146562112 https://apps.apple.com/zm/app/safari/id1146562112
- wsername_with_w 4y agoIt says the collected browsing data is not linked to the user's identity. Still a bad move by Apple.
- WelcomeShorty 4y agoYour statement seems to leave away some important "details", so here is the full text from your link: The following data may be collected but it is not linked to your identity: Location Browsing History Usage Data Diagnostics
- synu 4y agoWouldn’t most peoples browsing history plus location pretty much narrow them down to one person?
- proamdev123 4y ago
- 5350-uiop-1130 4y agoafter wikileaks prism/nsa...it's really impossible for me to accept any kind of privacy assurances. it's like there are public laws and hidden "patriot" laws, and companies are not allowed to disclose those things. as a privacy company, if you haven't yet been raided by some government office, then you are probably compliant on some visible and invisible levels.
- tremon 4y agoAnd let's not forget to add the Crypto AG story to that list. Although I'm still naive enough (by choice) to trust a select few companies.
- lunarboy 4y agoNot completely on topic but just throwing this out there: Anyone know how to send from any user under a personal domain on an iPhone? I have a personal mail domain that I have connected to proton. On my laptop I can send from any user@mydomain.com via Thunderbird connected to a free SendGrid outbound server. But on my phone I can only read mail or send from proton registered user@. Wondering if anyone knows of an ios mail client that allows me to setup something like Thunderbird with custom outbound server
- Daedren 4y agoYou can change the SMTP servers at: Settings > Mail > Accounts > -choose account- > Account > SMTP
- fuzzy2 4y agoDepends on your actual setup, but I’ll tell you instead when you cannot change it: When using a configuration profile to add the mail account. (Except of course if it’s in the profile already.)
- Yizahi 4y agoSo basically there are practically only 3 browsers left in the desktop world(1) - Firefox, Chrome, Safari. Protonmail works on all 3 of them, which is good. But why is this a news worthy topic? (1) not counting obscure ones like Lynx or others.
- toto444 4y agoI actually posted this link because I could not sign in to my mailbox yesterday due to the fact I was using the DDG browser on my tablet but my comment about it got buried.
- openplatypus 4y agoWhy do privacy folks recommend Brave? Isn't Brave a commercial, ad serving entity?
- blendergeek 4y agoSo is Mozilla. Mozilla makes there money through product placement (mostly from Google) though they now make some money on the side selling (targeted) ads through out the browser.
- bongobingo1 4y agoAll I remember brave for is some crypto nonsense, and looking at wikipedia it seems they were doing some kind of suspect "content creator payments" that were opt-out and not forwarded? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers... At the face of it, it sounds like they had a "Donate to platypus" button but you'd only get the donations if you knew to sign up with them on the back end? Gross.
- wsername_with_w 4y agoWhy is it "nonsense"? Seems like a good thing to try and see if it works as a way to pay content creators. Maybe it doesn't, we will see. But why call it "nonsense"?
- ballenf 4y agoIt's opt-in for people to choose Brave over another browser. It's opt-in for creators to accept payouts. All the complaints mentioned in your link were resolved 2 years ago. Brave returns money to donators if the creator doesn't sign up within 90 days. And creators status with Brave is clearly prominent in the UI. The list of sketchy stuff in Chrome over the years makes Brave look saintly. And Firefox and even Safari.
- phartenfeller 4y agoDepends on the person. As someone who values the environment I don't want any crypto stuff in my browser. Totally not saintly for me.
- asimpletune 4y agoI don't understand why Safari isn't on the "recommended" list. Doesn't it respect your privacy?
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- cyberpunk 4y agoNo, apple takes a copy of your browsing history, apparently “anonymously” and you can’t opt out. Don’t use it.
- obert 4y agodoesnt Apple store the history in iCloud, aka not anonymously?
- proamdev123 4y agoThis is true on iOS Safari, but is it also true on desktop Safari? (I genuinely don’t know the answer)
- alexmingoia 4y agoTheir iCloud security page says “Safari History, Tab Groups, and iCloud Tabs” is end-to-end encrypted. So they store history to sync across devices but the keys are only on your devices. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
- ragnese 4y agoAre the "keys" just your iCloud password (or a deterministic derivative thereof)? Otherwise, how could your tabs magically appear on a new device?
- pseudalopex 4y agoThe keys are encrypted with your device pass codes. Setting up a new device requires the pass code from another device.
- k__ 4y agoSwitched from Firefox to Brave a few years ago and never regretted it. Ad blocker, IPFS, and Onion support out of the box is prett neat.
- sebow 4y agoKind of funny that they included Pale Moon, IceCat, and SeaMonkey but not ungoogled-chromium, which imo is effectively the best compromise between privacy & a modern usable browser -- the only downside is the hardship of installing extensions manually.
- unstatusthequo 4y agoAnd no Vivaldi mention
- sebow 4y agoVivaldi with defaults, maybe not the most optimal solution imo. But vivaldi tweaked (including no sync, etc.), sure. I probably share your surprise when I see people not aware of Vivaldi, and I'm not sure if it's due to their historical links with Opera(which by the way it's awful privacy-wise, but that's my opinion at least). Vivaldi is a good browser regarding mouse-focused browsing (or even touch I guess): their gesture system is definitely one of the best though I haven't tried Safari. I however stopped using Vivaldi a long time ago due to the fact that their Linux builds had horrendous hardware acceleration performance. Maybe I'll revisit it.
- ridgered4 4y agoI was until recently using protonmail for throwaway email addresses for various web forums as it allowed a captcha verification during creation. Every other one I'd tried demands SMS verification these days, which is right out. But proton mail recently changed and requires SMS or another email now, I believe they say it is to combat bots. I tried tutanota but it refuses to create an account at all over a VPN, or at least the VPNs I've used. At least it told me the reason it was a no go here instead of silently failing. Anyone have any recommendations in this space?
- shubhamkrm 4y agoIf it’s really a throwaway (just a one time use for creating an account), I simply use 10minutemail.com
- throw101010 4y agoMany websites now refuse to create an account for you if your email uses a more exotic domain, or especially the domains used by the many temporary email address providers unfortunately.
- jaywalk 4y agoMy email's domain is as exotic as it gets (I own it, and I'm the only one using it) and I've yet to encounter a website that rejects it. Temporary email address providers though, yeah. I've seen plenty of rejects with those.
- lolinder 4y agoI use Fastmail's aliases. It's not secure if you're trying to hide from state actors (your identities will be tied together in Fastmail's servers), but it's good enough for "I don't trust this forum not to get hacked and leak my email".
- tingle 4y agoWere you using Tor Browser ? From Switzerland, I can create free Proton accounts by solving a captcha, if I'm using Safari or Firefox. But if I use Tor on the same computer, the only option is to enter a phone number.
- teddyX 4y agoI don’t get brave. Works great but Feels scammy.
- prepend 4y agoIt’s my default browser for the past few years. It’s the fasted and the updates are small and seem respectful in that it asks me. Chrome sneaks launchagents into startup and updates itself even though I don’t want to. And the agent has spiked my cpu and frustrated real activities. The crypto stuff isn’t my favorite but I like the idea of “tipping” site owners although I’ve never done it. I used to put $2/month into flattr and wish it took off.
- 6bb32646d83d 4y agoI bounced around between browsers a lot and settled on Brave. It works great on all my OS (Windows, Linux, MacOS, Android), sync all the extensions and settings, has adblocker on Android.
- nextstep 4y agoWhat’s wrong with Safari privacy-wise?
- alexmingoia 4y agoNothing, as far as I can tell. End-to-end encrypted history and tabs, and recent versions with iCloud+ use encrypted DNS and VPN (iCloud private relay) that uses encrypted forwarding so ingress servers can’t tie your requests to a destination. Outside of using Tor and your own VPN, it looks like Safari w/ iCloud+ protects browsing history from everyone (Apple and ISPs) while delivering a seamless experience.
- shagie 4y agoThe "it stores tabs in the cloud" appears to be for syncing between devices. Using private browsing on safari should alleviate those concerns. https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/browse-privately-ibrw1069/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/browse-privately-ibrw... > Your open webpages aren’t stored in iCloud, so they aren’t shown when you view all your open tabs from other devices. > Your recent searches aren’t included in the results list when you use the Smart Search field.
- ragnese 4y agoProbably nothing; Apple talks a good privacy talk and I always recommend Apple products to my non-nerd friends and family because of it. HOWEVER, I can't really get past the fact that it's closed source. At the end of the day, that means that Apple can say they do XYZ practice, and it's very likely to be true (some is testable, and imagine the shit-storm if a whistle blower showed that they really do store your keys, etc), but what if it does something else sketchy "instead" of the things they promise they aren't doing? Pretty much, if I care about privacy, closed source anything never makes it on my list.
- Turpen 4y ago> Apple talks a good privacy talk but they don't walk the talk
- wanderingmind 4y agoAs an aside, I'm looking to move to proton. Any feedback on how good and prompt is their customer care?
- poetril 4y agoI've moved all my email to Proton over the course of the last year or so. Each interaction I've had with customer support as been great, resolving my issues usually same day as I've opened the ticket. Only two downsides in my mind is the lack of an iOS calendar app (its in closed beta atm) and twice since I've signed up they have suffered multi-hour outages that left me without access to email.
- jacooper 4y agoI have been using proton for more than 2 years now. These outages are rare, they haven't occurred for a long time, I think they are due to the new flood of subscribers after the new plans were revealed. But In general it has been very stable.
- wanderingmind 4y agoThank you. This is helpful. I dont use iOS, so its not a show stopper for me. The outages is what I'm a bit worried about though.
- jacooper 4y agoProtonDrive isnt useful outside web. - protonVPN is great! But its linux app is not. - Proton Mail contact sync doesn't Integrate with the OS itself. - Proton Calendar doesn't integrate with the system, and isn't included with bridge. - Proton is generally very stable and very professional, but their rate of development isn't the fastest. - the proton bridge is great, no problems so far.
- twstdzppr 4y agoI'll stick with Chrome, thanks.
- jacooper 4y agoEnjoy your zero privacy mate!
- arminiusreturns 4y agoLynx and emacs eww
- dymv 4y agoI feel this resource should be mentioned here as well https://www.privacyguides.org https://www.privacyguides.org