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What's the case for using java in your startup?

4 points by siavosh 15y ago

cpt1138 15y ago
Depends on what you are doing of course. I find, in general, that Java lends itself to not reinventing the wheel and not solving problems you don't have. This is more a testament to how long Java has been around and how many solutions there are, rather than the language itself.
virmundi 15y ago
One reason is because it is what I and my partner know. Another reason is that it has good existing tool support. I'm not fully convinced that I want to return to the world of VIM and the command line compiler ala Scala. Instead I'll work with Eclipse and Tomcat. Finally, I'm not yet convinced that I should really jump on the hipster band wagon. Node and Mongo are a really great pair for something's, but I don't know if I want to base my entire future on it. Java is an established platform running apps requiring more performance than mine. To go to a language because it "scales" better according to the most recent hive think seems silly.
- siavosh 15y ago
  Thanks. Other than Struts, are there any other web frameworks you would recommend?
  - squidsoup 15y ago
    If you want a full stack framework like Rails, Play is fantastic (http://www.playframework.org/ http://www.playframework.org/) and is also now part of the TypeSafe stack (Play supports both Java and Scala). If you prefer the more minimalistic approach to web development, or want to focus on building a clientside application, Jersey (jersey.java.net/) is an excellent framework for building restful webservices.
  - virmundi 15y ago
    A nice MVC for apps is Stripes. It has a few quirks, but it is extendable and plays relatively well with Spring.
glimcat 15y ago
Lots of recent graduates who have "hello world" programming experience know Java. If you want to hire those. It's sort of portable and it's sort of good at a wide range of stuff. In general, I would worry about what you're doing long before what language you're doing it in. Language is rarely a critical detail, despite the frequency at which people like to have holy wars over it.

4 points by siavosh 15y ago

Depends on what you are doing of course. I find, in general, that Java lends itself to not reinventing the wheel and not solving problems you don't have. This is more a testament to how long Java has been around and how many solutions there are, rather than the language itself.

virmundi 15y ago

One reason is because it is what I and my partner know. Another reason is that it has good existing tool support. I'm not fully convinced that I want to return to the world of VIM and the command line compiler ala Scala. Instead I'll work with Eclipse and Tomcat. Finally, I'm not yet convinced that I should really jump on the hipster band wagon. Node and Mongo are a really great pair for something's, but I don't know if I want to base my entire future on it. Java is an established platform running apps requiring more performance than mine. To go to a language because it "scales" better according to the most recent hive think seems silly.

siavosh 15y ago
Thanks. Other than Struts, are there any other web frameworks you would recommend?
- squidsoup 15y ago
  If you want a full stack framework like Rails, Play is fantastic (http://www.playframework.org/ http://www.playframework.org/) and is also now part of the TypeSafe stack (Play supports both Java and Scala). If you prefer the more minimalistic approach to web development, or want to focus on building a clientside application, Jersey (jersey.java.net/) is an excellent framework for building restful webservices.
- virmundi 15y ago
  A nice MVC for apps is Stripes. It has a few quirks, but it is extendable and plays relatively well with Spring.

glimcat 15y ago

Lots of recent graduates who have "hello world" programming experience know Java. If you want to hire those. It's sort of portable and it's sort of good at a wide range of stuff. In general, I would worry about what you're doing long before what language you're doing it in. Language is rarely a critical detail, despite the frequency at which people like to have holy wars over it.