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> As much as modern pickup trucks have become a fashion statement Pickup trucks are the opposite of fashion. There are to cars what Crocs are to shoes.
by bambax 4y ago
> As much as modern pickup trucks have become a fashion statement
Pickup trucks are the opposite of fashion. There are to cars what Crocs are to shoes.
- marcusestes 4y agoDisagree. Because the utility is seldom fully utilized in an urban environment, they are nearly pure fashion. They serve as a signaling mechanism the same way that a pair of Gucci loafers do, just for a different culture.
- bambax 4y agoThey serve as a signalling mechanism all right; they signal that their owner has no taste, and doesn't care.
- Retric 4y agoJust like every generation’s thinks the next generations music sucks, this reaction is intended. Fashion is about signaling not whatever you happen to agree with.
- hwestiii 4y agohow is signaling different from "whatever you happen to agree with"?
- Retric 4y agoBecause a strong negative reaction is also a sign of fashion. Tattoos aren’t universal, what’s acceptable for Army special forces, goths, gang members, etc are all different. So, good or bad only exists in a specific context it isn’t something that any person can judge universally. Someone really can define good as whatever pisses people like you off.
- branon 4y agoSimilar to how your comments signal that you have a weird personal vendetta against pickup trucks?
- lucidone 4y agoSome of us need the utility of a truck (hauling a trailer for camping, hauling gear bi-weekly to a racetrack, driving through poorly maintained roads during the winter).
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago>Because the utility is seldom fully utilized in an urban environment, they are nearly pure fashion. Utilization of private vehicles scales with income, not with population density. HN just all tends to live in "nice" places so they never see people using their vehicles to the max. This is true for all vehicle classes, not just pickup trucks.
- M3L0NM4N 4y agoThat's false, and so is your metaphor.
- kuhewa 4y agoCrocs were very much a fashion trend in 2021.
- FabHK 4y agoThe I hate Crocs blog was most active in 2007/2008. http://ihatecrocsblog.blogspot.com http://ihatecrocsblog.blogspot.com
- kuhewa 4y agoI'm probably missing your point, but I don't mean in the sense of them being a common type of footwear, I mean they were on runways, worn by celebrities, etc. https://www.whowhatwear.co.uk/crocs-shoes/slide4 https://www.whowhatwear.co.uk/crocs-shoes/slide4
- lupire 4y agoPoint was that 2021 fashion was rerun of a past trend.
- kuhewa 4y agoSure, but there's nothing new under the sun. And ironic fashion is still fashion.
- FabHK 4y agoMy point was just that they definitely were a thing 15 years back. Whether they're more fashionable now or then: no idea, neither do I care much :-)
- kuhewa 4y agoAh. I forgive myself for not parsing the point made because that is a non sequitur
- woodruffw 4y agoYou and I might disagree about their fashionability, but they are indeed a fashion (and political) statement for many people.
- bambax 4y agoWell no... that's my point! A political statement is not fashion. If one plants a political flag in their garden in support of a presidential candidate, that's not fashion, that's politics. If people decide to broadcast their opinions about the world using cars, they certainly can; but I don't think that kind of behavior can be called "fashion". Ideology, maybe.
- woodruffw 4y agoI think that's making too fine of a point. There are numerous aesthetic choices associated with political positions; variants of "military chic" amongst conservatives is one example. I happen to think that most modern trucks look incredibly stupid, but that's because their design language isn't intended for me. It's intended for people who have different fashion tastes, tastes that approximate political positions that I don't hold. In other words: the truck itself isn't a direct political statement, ordinarily; it's an efficient means for signaling politics through fashion.
- randomdata 4y ago> It's intended for people who have different fashion tastes, tastes that approximate political positions that I don't hold. As a Canadian living in the heart of supply management (i.e. state ownership of the means of production) country, where supplies are provided by the so named and literal Co-op (i.e. community ownership of the means of production), trucks are very popular. In part because they are useful tools in carrying out the business within that socialist system, but also because outsiders emulate to try and convey similar social standing. If there is a political statement to be found in there, which may be a stretch, to me it would be that trucks = socialism. But when I look beyond my bubble, I'm left with the impression that trucks are, if anything, especially stateside, a statement at the compete opposite end of the spectrum. What approximate political position do you believe is inbuilt into the design of modern trucks?
- dumpsterlid 4y agoI would say crocs and pickup trucks are opposite. Many many people hate crocs and how they look but they are in many regards actually an extremely practical shoe for most peoples' day to day life. The opposite is true for trucks.
- 1234letshaveatw 4y agoDoes everyone here live in a studio apartment? Pickup trucks are the most utilitarian vehicle you can buy. Whether you use it for hauling furniture from the antique store, or you transport firewood or a load of topsoil or throw a kayak in the back, or one of a million other jobs. I don't get how people can become so radicalized that they develop a hatred for pickup trucks. We are doomed as a country
- kube-system 4y agoI’ve owned several pickups. My current pickup has two doors, a vinyl floor, roll up windows, a key to open the door, and dents all over it. That’s a utilitarian vehicle. The $60k luxury barges I see at the mall are not that.
- dumpsterlid 4y agoExactly when I see a pickup drive by that that is dented or scratched up and has a bunch of shit in the back... ya know is a vehicle that has been used for stuff a truck makes sense for and I think that is great. (These trucks are usually smaller trucks too like rangers and s10) 99% of trucks are not that these days and that may be being generous. Also... spend half the money on a beater truck and the other half on a civic so you dont take up the whole damn road on your commute to your office job and kill me when your comically oversized vehicles rides over mine in a car crash. I am tired of seeing $70,000 trucks without a scratch on them being used like they are a commuter sedan, its selfish and stupid.