2 ms·

People are worried that over-population is problem, some idiots even decide not to have children. But real problem is the opposite - population collapse. How do

by mirzap 4y ago

People are worried that over-population is problem, some idiots even decide not to have children. But real problem is the opposite - population collapse. How do you plan to retire if there's not enough young people to sustain ever growing older population. Rough times are ahead of us, something we haven't yet experienced.

croes 4y ago
>How do you plan to retire if there's not enough young people to sustain ever growing older population. Higher efficiency, higher wages especially in social security jobs, and of course a universal social security system How do you plan to solve the problems of a growing population? The consequences of things climate change will hit harder.
- mirzap 4y ago
  > Higher efficiency, higher wages especially in social security jobs, and of course a universal social security system efficiency has its limits. And we are reaching it, I would argue we reached it already. Without full automation there's not much room for "efficiency". There's no growing population on the west, it is declining sharply if you exclude immigration. There's not enough people to work with elderly. Germany desperately tries to import people for elderly care for years. Also, from what I read and researched the LARGEST single polluter on entire planet is the US military complex. Even if entire world switched to electric cars, eat less meat, it wouldn't make a dent in a greenhouse gas emissions. Not to mention that 50% of all produced food in the west is a waste. There's place for 20b people on this world, no shortages of land, resources. We just need to change our habits and drop consumerism (as we know it). If everyone bought only what they need, and consumed 99% of food they bought, that would result in less pollution than 3b people buying 200-300% more that they need.
  - croes 4y ago
    And we are far away from reaching efficiency peak. If you look closely there is an incredible amount of useless workforce
  - croes 4y ago
    There are enough people to work with elderly, they just don't get paid well enough. That's the main reason germany imports workforce from poorer countries.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  >Higher efficiency, higher wages especially in social security jobs, and of course a universal social security system Greater social security benefits and higher wages in social security jobs means raising taxes a lot, because there's far more old people than there are younger working people to support them. This will drive all the workers out of the country to other countries with lower taxes, creating a feedback loop and collapse.
BeFlatXIII 4y ago
The above poster has never heard of the concept of "carrying capacity"

by mirzap 4y ago

croes 4y ago

>How do you plan to retire if there's not enough young people to sustain ever growing older population. Higher efficiency, higher wages especially in social security jobs, and of course a universal social security system How do you plan to solve the problems of a growing population? The consequences of things climate change will hit harder.

mirzap 4y ago
> Higher efficiency, higher wages especially in social security jobs, and of course a universal social security system efficiency has its limits. And we are reaching it, I would argue we reached it already. Without full automation there's not much room for "efficiency". There's no growing population on the west, it is declining sharply if you exclude immigration. There's not enough people to work with elderly. Germany desperately tries to import people for elderly care for years. Also, from what I read and researched the LARGEST single polluter on entire planet is the US military complex. Even if entire world switched to electric cars, eat less meat, it wouldn't make a dent in a greenhouse gas emissions. Not to mention that 50% of all produced food in the west is a waste. There's place for 20b people on this world, no shortages of land, resources. We just need to change our habits and drop consumerism (as we know it). If everyone bought only what they need, and consumed 99% of food they bought, that would result in less pollution than 3b people buying 200-300% more that they need.
- croes 4y ago
  And we are far away from reaching efficiency peak. If you look closely there is an incredible amount of useless workforce
- croes 4y ago
  There are enough people to work with elderly, they just don't get paid well enough. That's the main reason germany imports workforce from poorer countries.
midoridensha 4y ago
>Higher efficiency, higher wages especially in social security jobs, and of course a universal social security system Greater social security benefits and higher wages in social security jobs means raising taxes a lot, because there's far more old people than there are younger working people to support them. This will drive all the workers out of the country to other countries with lower taxes, creating a feedback loop and collapse.

BeFlatXIII 4y ago

The above poster has never heard of the concept of "carrying capacity"