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I would pay $25,000 cash for a new manual transmission '00s-style mid-sized pickup with hand-crank windows and knobs for the temperature and radio. Last time I

I would pay $25,000 cash for a new manual transmission '00s-style mid-sized pickup with hand-crank windows and knobs for the temperature and radio. Last time I drove a car from after 2018 it started automatically keeping pace with the car in front of me on the highway, and you couldn't manually close the trunk but instead had to push a button and wait for it to close. I hate modern cars.

chucksmash 4y ago
You're in luck, that's about what manual transmission '00s pick up trucks with hand-crank windows are going for these days.
- quacked 4y ago
  I had to amend my comment to say "new", because you're completely right... the last Tacoma I test drove (automatic) had 290k on it, the transmission slipped during all gear changes, and they weren't taking a dime under $9k. I have no doubt they eventually found a buyer, too. Same thing is happening in power tools and large appliances. Things used to work, I guess.
  - chucksmash 4y ago
    I reread after I posted, saw the "new" and was wondering how I'd missed that. I was also looking at Rangers and Tacomas earlier this year. I've seen pre-2020 model year Tacomas listed for $45k. Surreal to think, " Hmm that 4 year old, used mid-size pickup is a little pricey, maybe it's better to get something more frugal like a BMW."
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Used car prices have been pretty insane recently. I bought a new vehicle to replace my ~13 year old Toyota 4Runner with some very obvious, and not wholly cosmetic, physical damage and got a $15K trade-in for it. I was shocked.
calvinmorrison 4y ago
> it started automatically keeping pace with the car in front of me on the highway I hate how technology is changing the roads. This happens to me so frequently. I am a right lane driver. I hang out, I cruise at 55, and take my time. It feels like every few minutes someone comes up behind me, slows down, and doesn't go around. If I go to the left lane they speed right past me, so I can go back into my right lane... Bizaare!
- Vecr 4y ago
  I'm not sure where you live but what those cars are doing is the correct thing, in regards to laws and driving best practices in what I think are many places in the US. You shouldn't really be going left to get rid of them, even if that's legal where you are (it's not legal to go into the left lane except to pass in multiple states), or you are driving on a highway with three lanes in each direction. The cars should not really be speeding past you on the right either, but if you are weirdly switching lanes they might not have a choice. Edit: actually, if they are tailgating you too close you might want to try to get rid of them, but tapping your brakes (to flash your rear red lights), or putting your hazard lights on briefly to get them to go around is probably better than going left one lane.
  - calvinmorrison 4y ago
    (3 lane, 476 north) What's happening is, they're on auto cruise, they're always a set distance from me (i speed up, they speed up). I go left, they speed up.
  - seszett 4y ago
    I know what they're saying and I've often found it annoying as well. If such a car is following you and you get to the left or middle lane to overtake a slower car then the car behind you first accelerates to your right as if they were going to pass you, then brakes because of course there's another car there, the one you are overtaking. The other case where I find them annoying, the worst case for me, is when I'm quietly driving my speed, overtaking a (slow compared to me) car that is following another one. But while I'm overtaking the "auto following" car, the car in front of it gets back to the right lane and the other car suddenly takes off much faster than me. So here I was, driving 110 and overtaking a car driving 90, while suddenly accelerates to 130... until it gets stuck again a kilometer further, and I have to overtake it again, and everything repeats. Of course, I could do the same acceleration/braking dance and stay behind them all the time, but I care about not spending fuel for useless speed changes.
sillystuff 4y ago
I'm with you. When I bought my car in 2009, there were only 3 of the model (any color) with manual transmission and manual windows/locks in the entire state (California). Drove almost 200mi each way to buy that car. Manuals are disappearing in the "small" trucks sold today. You need to go with 4x4 to get a manual in Toyota. And, Nissan dumped theirs completely.
katbyte 4y ago
i just got a 2022 MT tacoma and am really enjoying it, its new but still a toyota. i also couldn't imagine off roading with an automatic.
sbaiddn 4y ago
I had a 2011 3.0 V6 Ford Ranger with 4X4 with a 5 speed manual. $20 000 new. Manual locks Manual windows. In 2015, when my first kid was born, I traded it in for my SUV. Got my 20k back for it. Every time I see a Ranger, my heart aches
seszett 4y ago
> * I would pay $25,000 cash for a new manual transmission '00s-style mid-sized pickup with hand-crank windows and knobs for the temperature and radio.* Sounds like a Dacia Duster Pick-Up. It's 22 000€ or so (new).
macintux 4y ago
Jeep Wranglers still offered hand crank windows and a manual transmission until very recently. I think the hand crank windows are now gone, but the MT survived for at least one more generation.
- BirAdam 4y ago
  You can still get manual door locks and windows on the 2023 JL Sport and Willys Sport, but these start at 30k.
driverdan 4y ago
Why would you want hand crank windows? Electric windows are a reliable and proven technology.
- quacked 4y ago
  I've had electric windows stop working on me, but I've never had a hand crank window stop working.
  - driverdan 4y ago
    Hand crank windows have common problems too, such as cables breaking or the window coming off the track which can also happen for electric.

chucksmash 4y ago

You're in luck, that's about what manual transmission '00s pick up trucks with hand-crank windows are going for these days.

quacked 4y ago
I had to amend my comment to say "new", because you're completely right... the last Tacoma I test drove (automatic) had 290k on it, the transmission slipped during all gear changes, and they weren't taking a dime under $9k. I have no doubt they eventually found a buyer, too. Same thing is happening in power tools and large appliances. Things used to work, I guess.
- chucksmash 4y ago
  I reread after I posted, saw the "new" and was wondering how I'd missed that. I was also looking at Rangers and Tacomas earlier this year. I've seen pre-2020 model year Tacomas listed for $45k. Surreal to think, " Hmm that 4 year old, used mid-size pickup is a little pricey, maybe it's better to get something more frugal like a BMW."
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Used car prices have been pretty insane recently. I bought a new vehicle to replace my ~13 year old Toyota 4Runner with some very obvious, and not wholly cosmetic, physical damage and got a $15K trade-in for it. I was shocked.

calvinmorrison 4y ago

> it started automatically keeping pace with the car in front of me on the highway I hate how technology is changing the roads. This happens to me so frequently. I am a right lane driver. I hang out, I cruise at 55, and take my time. It feels like every few minutes someone comes up behind me, slows down, and doesn't go around. If I go to the left lane they speed right past me, so I can go back into my right lane... Bizaare!

Vecr 4y ago
I'm not sure where you live but what those cars are doing is the correct thing, in regards to laws and driving best practices in what I think are many places in the US. You shouldn't really be going left to get rid of them, even if that's legal where you are (it's not legal to go into the left lane except to pass in multiple states), or you are driving on a highway with three lanes in each direction. The cars should not really be speeding past you on the right either, but if you are weirdly switching lanes they might not have a choice. Edit: actually, if they are tailgating you too close you might want to try to get rid of them, but tapping your brakes (to flash your rear red lights), or putting your hazard lights on briefly to get them to go around is probably better than going left one lane.
- calvinmorrison 4y ago
  (3 lane, 476 north) What's happening is, they're on auto cruise, they're always a set distance from me (i speed up, they speed up). I go left, they speed up.
- seszett 4y ago
  I know what they're saying and I've often found it annoying as well. If such a car is following you and you get to the left or middle lane to overtake a slower car then the car behind you first accelerates to your right as if they were going to pass you, then brakes because of course there's another car there, the one you are overtaking. The other case where I find them annoying, the worst case for me, is when I'm quietly driving my speed, overtaking a (slow compared to me) car that is following another one. But while I'm overtaking the "auto following" car, the car in front of it gets back to the right lane and the other car suddenly takes off much faster than me. So here I was, driving 110 and overtaking a car driving 90, while suddenly accelerates to 130... until it gets stuck again a kilometer further, and I have to overtake it again, and everything repeats. Of course, I could do the same acceleration/braking dance and stay behind them all the time, but I care about not spending fuel for useless speed changes.

sillystuff 4y ago

I'm with you. When I bought my car in 2009, there were only 3 of the model (any color) with manual transmission and manual windows/locks in the entire state (California). Drove almost 200mi each way to buy that car. Manuals are disappearing in the "small" trucks sold today. You need to go with 4x4 to get a manual in Toyota. And, Nissan dumped theirs completely.

katbyte 4y ago

i just got a 2022 MT tacoma and am really enjoying it, its new but still a toyota. i also couldn't imagine off roading with an automatic.

sbaiddn 4y ago

I had a 2011 3.0 V6 Ford Ranger with 4X4 with a 5 speed manual. $20 000 new. Manual locks Manual windows. In 2015, when my first kid was born, I traded it in for my SUV. Got my 20k back for it. Every time I see a Ranger, my heart aches

seszett 4y ago

> * I would pay $25,000 cash for a new manual transmission '00s-style mid-sized pickup with hand-crank windows and knobs for the temperature and radio.* Sounds like a Dacia Duster Pick-Up. It's 22 000€ or so (new).

macintux 4y ago

Jeep Wranglers still offered hand crank windows and a manual transmission until very recently. I think the hand crank windows are now gone, but the MT survived for at least one more generation.

BirAdam 4y ago
You can still get manual door locks and windows on the 2023 JL Sport and Willys Sport, but these start at 30k.

driverdan 4y ago

Why would you want hand crank windows? Electric windows are a reliable and proven technology.

quacked 4y ago
I've had electric windows stop working on me, but I've never had a hand crank window stop working.
- driverdan 4y ago
  Hand crank windows have common problems too, such as cables breaking or the window coming off the track which can also happen for electric.