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I doubt I'll never buy an automatic transmission vehicle. If that means never buying a new car after some point, then so be it. I've had quite a few manual tran

I doubt I'll never buy an automatic transmission vehicle. If that means never buying a new car after some point, then so be it. I've had quite a few manual transmission cars over the years and have driven them through all the things people complain about like steep hills in icy winters, stop and go traffic for an hour or two commute, etc. and I'd still go for a MT every time. Not only is it cheaper and less complex, I thoroughly enjoy driving a manual over an automatic. Every AT I've ever driven (rentals, friend's vehicles, etc.) have just felt boring and in some limited cases, less in control.

bergenty 4y ago
Manual is stupid. Automatics have been better than manual for a while and who the hell wants to spend all that time changing gears for no reason. Boring is the silliest rationalization there is.
- RamRodification 4y ago
  You prefer thing?! Me mad!
  - bergenty 4y ago
    It not so much the prefer thing it’s the fact that it’s backed up by thin rationalizations.
- legitster 4y ago
- donkarma 4y ago
  you need to drink more gasoline, it makes all my angry opinions disappear
fortran77 4y ago
You'll never own an electric car?
- deleted 4y ago
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- abdullahkhalids 4y ago
  It will be interesting exercise to design a "manual gearbox" for an electric car so manual transmission drivers can have their enjoyment.
  - breckenedge 4y ago
    The hybrid Honda CR-Z has a manual. It was always intriguing to me, but never enough to seriously consider due to the size.
  - thescriptkiddie 4y ago
    Most DIY EV conversions have manual transmissions as it makes the conversion easier.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    Maybe we should just replace the windscreen with a big monitor and have all the controls and knobs just be controller inputs for some racing game so manual fans can pretend to be doing something interesting while their self driving electric car moves them to the office.
  - luxuryballs 4y ago
    Toyota has a patent in for one of these I think.
  - Klonoar 4y ago
    Ford actually demo'd a 6-speed EV Mustang years ago that went nowhere. It could be done, it's mostly just a "why bother". https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/20950148/ford-electric-mustang-manual-prototype-stick-shift-lithium-sema-2019 https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/20950148/ford-electric-mu...
  - sgjohnson 4y ago
    There’s no need to even have a transmission in an EV.
Salgat 4y ago
I ended up going back to automatic after 3 years of manual. Automatic is more fuel efficient, more convenient, and honestly I can't enjoy urban traffic either way, at least with automatic I don't have to think about it. If I truly want to enjoy a manual I'll do it on the race track.
- mongol 4y ago
  > Automatic is more fuel efficient I thought it was the opposite. Has that changed?
  - randunel 4y ago
    It hasn't changed, automatic gearboxes still eat up more fuel than their manual counterparts on the same cars.
    - fjfaase 4y ago
      I think from a purely mechanical point of view, this is the case, meaning that if you have two cars, one with manual gearbox and one with an automatic gearbox, both driving at the same speed with the same gear ratio, the one with the automatic gearbox will likely use slightly more fuel. But even this might not the case at all possible speeds. But at some speeds when the car with the manual gearbox is using the wrong gear, it might use much more gas. The problem with the manual gearbox is not in the gearbox but the human using it. First of all, not all drivers know when is the best moment to change gears and even if they know, they are not always able to change gears at the right moment. When you are turning on a crossing and accelerating, switching gears can be difficult. Also automatic gearboxes can change gears usually much faster than humans. Operating the clutch is hard and when not done in the correct way, letting the clutch slip too much, waste energy. Taking this all into account, in many cases, an automatic transmission might be more efficient. I have been driving cars with manual transmissions all my life. My current car as indicator lights telling you when to change gears up and down. I often find myself skipping gears, especially when accelerating in the city, I often skip fourth gear. The car has six gears and you should already switch to the fifth gear when driving 50Km/h. My first car only had four gears, and the fourth gear was only used when driving over sixty. If a car has more gears it also means that you have to shift more often, which might make driving less efficient in city traffic due to the many more moments you shift slightly at the wrong moment.
msla 4y ago
> I doubt I'll never buy an automatic transmission vehicle. That certainly seems like the way of things.
ryandrake 4y ago
When he was alive, my ol grandpa once told me: "Nobody makes anything for me anymore--they've all just left me behind!" I thought to myself HA! I'll never get like that! I'm always going to be an early adopter, I'll always be optimistic for the new, I believe that technology always marches forward! Now that I'm getting up there in age, despite swearing otherwise, I'm starting to feel like grandpa. I'm just not the target market anymore, for anything. New cars are boring identical bars of soap with dumb-dumb transmissions. New homes are ugly and made of cheap materials. Computers keep getting more and more locked down and are losing peripheral ports. Everything from appliances to clothing wears out after a few years. Media is made for 5 minute attention spans. Everyone leases and streams things instead of owning them. You can't even buy a lot of software anymore, you have to pay every month. Everything seems to be just getting worse, and only my age cohort seems to notice it. We're turning into those stereotypical cranky old people that we used to ridicule. The boomers before me were a huge market, and for a long, long time, industry could profitably make things for their taste. Now everything is made for 18-38 year olds who are also a ginormous generation with similar taste. My generation was tiny, and no marketer really ended up caring what we like. I got skipped over, and indeed it's starting to feel like nobody makes anything for me anymore!
- Tade0 4y ago
  > Computers keep getting more and more locked down and are losing peripheral ports. Excuse me Sir, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Saviour, the Framework laptop? https://frame.work/ https://frame.work/
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
    > Excuse me Sir, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Saviour, the Framework laptop? Very gladly: It has even fewer ports than most mainstream laptops. The theoretical flexibility doesn't make up for the facts that it can have at most 4 ports, and the MicroSD reader counts as a port. So you can have one USB-C (which you need for charging), one USB-A to be able to connect a mouse, one HDMI to be able to connect a monitor that doesn't provide USB-C power, and a MicroSD card reader. You don't get built-in Ethernet ever

bergenty 4y ago

Manual is stupid. Automatics have been better than manual for a while and who the hell wants to spend all that time changing gears for no reason. Boring is the silliest rationalization there is.

RamRodification 4y ago
You prefer thing?! Me mad!
- bergenty 4y ago
  It not so much the prefer thing it’s the fact that it’s backed up by thin rationalizations.
legitster 4y ago
donkarma 4y ago
you need to drink more gasoline, it makes all my angry opinions disappear

fortran77 4y ago

You'll never own an electric car?

deleted 4y ago
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abdullahkhalids 4y ago
It will be interesting exercise to design a "manual gearbox" for an electric car so manual transmission drivers can have their enjoyment.
- breckenedge 4y ago
  The hybrid Honda CR-Z has a manual. It was always intriguing to me, but never enough to seriously consider due to the size.
- thescriptkiddie 4y ago
  Most DIY EV conversions have manual transmissions as it makes the conversion easier.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Maybe we should just replace the windscreen with a big monitor and have all the controls and knobs just be controller inputs for some racing game so manual fans can pretend to be doing something interesting while their self driving electric car moves them to the office.
- luxuryballs 4y ago
  Toyota has a patent in for one of these I think.
- Klonoar 4y ago
  Ford actually demo'd a 6-speed EV Mustang years ago that went nowhere. It could be done, it's mostly just a "why bother". https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/20950148/ford-electric-mustang-manual-prototype-stick-shift-lithium-sema-2019 https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/20950148/ford-electric-mu...
- sgjohnson 4y ago
  There’s no need to even have a transmission in an EV.

Salgat 4y ago

I ended up going back to automatic after 3 years of manual. Automatic is more fuel efficient, more convenient, and honestly I can't enjoy urban traffic either way, at least with automatic I don't have to think about it. If I truly want to enjoy a manual I'll do it on the race track.

mongol 4y ago
> Automatic is more fuel efficient I thought it was the opposite. Has that changed?
- randunel 4y ago
  It hasn't changed, automatic gearboxes still eat up more fuel than their manual counterparts on the same cars.
  - fjfaase 4y ago
    I think from a purely mechanical point of view, this is the case, meaning that if you have two cars, one with manual gearbox and one with an automatic gearbox, both driving at the same speed with the same gear ratio, the one with the automatic gearbox will likely use slightly more fuel. But even this might not the case at all possible speeds. But at some speeds when the car with the manual gearbox is using the wrong gear, it might use much more gas. The problem with the manual gearbox is not in the gearbox but the human using it. First of all, not all drivers know when is the best moment to change gears and even if they know, they are not always able to change gears at the right moment. When you are turning on a crossing and accelerating, switching gears can be difficult. Also automatic gearboxes can change gears usually much faster than humans. Operating the clutch is hard and when not done in the correct way, letting the clutch slip too much, waste energy. Taking this all into account, in many cases, an automatic transmission might be more efficient. I have been driving cars with manual transmissions all my life. My current car as indicator lights telling you when to change gears up and down. I often find myself skipping gears, especially when accelerating in the city, I often skip fourth gear. The car has six gears and you should already switch to the fifth gear when driving 50Km/h. My first car only had four gears, and the fourth gear was only used when driving over sixty. If a car has more gears it also means that you have to shift more often, which might make driving less efficient in city traffic due to the many more moments you shift slightly at the wrong moment.

msla 4y ago

> I doubt I'll never buy an automatic transmission vehicle. That certainly seems like the way of things.

ryandrake 4y ago

When he was alive, my ol grandpa once told me: "Nobody makes anything for me anymore--they've all just left me behind!" I thought to myself HA! I'll never get like that! I'm always going to be an early adopter, I'll always be optimistic for the new, I believe that technology always marches forward! Now that I'm getting up there in age, despite swearing otherwise, I'm starting to feel like grandpa. I'm just not the target market anymore, for anything. New cars are boring identical bars of soap with dumb-dumb transmissions. New homes are ugly and made of cheap materials. Computers keep getting more and more locked down and are losing peripheral ports. Everything from appliances to clothing wears out after a few years. Media is made for 5 minute attention spans. Everyone leases and streams things instead of owning them. You can't even buy a lot of software anymore, you have to pay every month. Everything seems to be just getting worse, and only my age cohort seems to notice it. We're turning into those stereotypical cranky old people that we used to ridicule. The boomers before me were a huge market, and for a long, long time, industry could profitably make things for their taste. Now everything is made for 18-38 year olds who are also a ginormous generation with similar taste. My generation was tiny, and no marketer really ended up caring what we like. I got skipped over, and indeed it's starting to feel like nobody makes anything for me anymore!

Tade0 4y ago
> Computers keep getting more and more locked down and are losing peripheral ports. Excuse me Sir, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Saviour, the Framework laptop? https://frame.work/ https://frame.work/
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
  > Excuse me Sir, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Saviour, the Framework laptop? Very gladly: It has even fewer ports than most mainstream laptops. The theoretical flexibility doesn't make up for the facts that it can have at most 4 ports, and the MicroSD reader counts as a port. So you can have one USB-C (which you need for charging), one USB-A to be able to connect a mouse, one HDMI to be able to connect a monitor that doesn't provide USB-C power, and a MicroSD card reader. You don't get built-in Ethernet ever