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You can also do that with a decent automatic transmission.

by noizejoy 4y ago

Swizec 4y ago
Ah yes the good ol' "Tap the breaks before an overtake" trick. Just as god intended. /s
- noizejoy 4y ago
  I thought we were slowing down due to the roundabout anyway? So that’s a different context than what you’re describing?
  - williamscales 4y ago
    We've slowed nearly to a stop for the roundabout, entered it when it was clear, and now need to put on some speed to get going again at the speed of the other traffic.
  - Swizec 4y ago
    Yes I said overtake, not roundabout. The related context is that automatics can’t predict what gear you’re going to need before you need it. This leads to a lag that doesn’t exist with manuals that automatics compensate for by having oversized and overpowered engines. This is most noticeable when overtaking or driving on twisty mountain roads. One way people work around it is by tapping the brakes as a signal to the transmission to shift down. Another way to notice this weird behavior with automatics is to see how much noise american cars make when trying to take off fast from a stop light. Lots of noise thanks to wide open throttle, not much acceleration because the (cheap) gearbox keeps shifting up and reducing torque.
- notsapiensatall 4y ago
  Most modern automatic transmissions let you pick a gear if you really want to, either with paddle shifters on the wheel or a sideways +/- slot next to "D" on the gear lever. You don't get the sensation of letting the clutch go at juuust the right revs, but hey, there are always motorcycles.
  - taneq 4y ago
    Yep, the only thing that’s missing is modulating your front/rear braking split (and hence under/oversteer) with the clutch on the way in to corners. Of course, front wheel drives can do this with left foot braking but I never got the hang of that.
    - Swizec 4y ago
      > Of course, front wheel drives can do this with left foot braking but I never got the hang of that. I used to do this in my mom’s Kalos. Super fun. Makes it feel like your car is on rails.
  - falcolas 4y ago
    Motorcycles are seeing some movement towards DCT too.
    - ska 4y ago
      Not really. They’ve been available for ages now but not much uptake. This happens periodically - there was an automatic Honda back in the 80s that also didn’t sell. WHat has changed, at least in performance bikes (broadly stated) is autoblippers/quickshifters. A skill you could learn (clutch less shifts) of course but never as fast as these.
      - notsapiensatall 4y ago
        The Honda Super Cub was pretty cool, and it dates back to the late '50s. Apocryphally, it used a centrifugal clutch to free the left hand so the rider could hold a package while driving.
        ska 4y ago
        Interesting tech ... but empirically (at least in north america) didn't sell well at all.
    - somerandomqaguy 4y ago

You can also do that with a decent automatic transmission.

Swizec 4y ago

Ah yes the good ol' "Tap the breaks before an overtake" trick. Just as god intended. /s

noizejoy 4y ago
I thought we were slowing down due to the roundabout anyway? So that’s a different context than what you’re describing?
- williamscales 4y ago
  We've slowed nearly to a stop for the roundabout, entered it when it was clear, and now need to put on some speed to get going again at the speed of the other traffic.
- Swizec 4y ago
  Yes I said overtake, not roundabout. The related context is that automatics can’t predict what gear you’re going to need before you need it. This leads to a lag that doesn’t exist with manuals that automatics compensate for by having oversized and overpowered engines. This is most noticeable when overtaking or driving on twisty mountain roads. One way people work around it is by tapping the brakes as a signal to the transmission to shift down. Another way to notice this weird behavior with automatics is to see how much noise american cars make when trying to take off fast from a stop light. Lots of noise thanks to wide open throttle, not much acceleration because the (cheap) gearbox keeps shifting up and reducing torque.
notsapiensatall 4y ago
Most modern automatic transmissions let you pick a gear if you really want to, either with paddle shifters on the wheel or a sideways +/- slot next to "D" on the gear lever. You don't get the sensation of letting the clutch go at juuust the right revs, but hey, there are always motorcycles.
- taneq 4y ago
  Yep, the only thing that’s missing is modulating your front/rear braking split (and hence under/oversteer) with the clutch on the way in to corners. Of course, front wheel drives can do this with left foot braking but I never got the hang of that.
  - Swizec 4y ago
    > Of course, front wheel drives can do this with left foot braking but I never got the hang of that. I used to do this in my mom’s Kalos. Super fun. Makes it feel like your car is on rails.
- falcolas 4y ago
  Motorcycles are seeing some movement towards DCT too.
  - ska 4y ago
    Not really. They’ve been available for ages now but not much uptake. This happens periodically - there was an automatic Honda back in the 80s that also didn’t sell. WHat has changed, at least in performance bikes (broadly stated) is autoblippers/quickshifters. A skill you could learn (clutch less shifts) of course but never as fast as these.
    - notsapiensatall 4y ago
      The Honda Super Cub was pretty cool, and it dates back to the late '50s. Apocryphally, it used a centrifugal clutch to free the left hand so the rider could hold a package while driving.
      - ska 4y ago
        Interesting tech ... but empirically (at least in north america) didn't sell well at all.
  - somerandomqaguy 4y ago