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Almost all clients have blacklists, instead of whitelists, which is the problem. Email should be "block" by default. If you want to send me an email, your emai

Almost all clients have blacklists, instead of whitelists, which is the problem. Email should be "block" by default. If you want to send me an email, your email address/account should first request to be allowed to email me, and once I approve your emails can come through. If I ever get sick of you, I should be able to block you with a keystroke. You can implement this flow. It makes a huge difference: http://blog.nawaz.org/posts/2018/Sep/solving-my-email-problem/ http://blog.nawaz.org/posts/2018/Sep/solving-my-email-proble...

Gigachad 4y ago
I don't want to have to configure blacklists and whitelists. My current workflow which seems to be inline with the rest of the world is if the message is junk, send it to my email. If its important, send it to me via Teams/Slack. At least everything sent to me via IM apps comes from a real person.
- wrycoder 4y ago
  Where it disappears into the figurative rear view mirror.
- BeetleB 4y ago
  To each his/her own. I'm the opposite. Anything via IM is treated as fleeting, and if I don't get to it now it's forgotten. I'm not going to keep track of dozens of channels. The benefit of email is its openness. I can organize it as I wish - I can't seem to do that with Teams (nor Slack, most likely). Can I copy a Slack message and put it into my personal channel? Can I tag it with a label, and then do a query to get all messages with a label? Can I make a TODO item in the TODO app of my choice and link to a message? I do all this with email. It's even easy. Also, Teams/Slack searching sucks. They're also resource hogs.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    > Anything via IM is treated as fleeting, and if I don't get to it now it's forgotten. Agree on this - I'll reply to emails I got weeks ago when I finally get around to dealing with them. I've never responded to a chat message more than a day old (unless I've been offline for an extended period).
PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
So you sign up at my website for something. We send you an email. Your blocking system rejects it. I'm not going to send a suitably-formatted request to you.
- Spivak 4y ago
  I think you are sending exactly the kind of email the parent is trying to block — transactional email.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    The parent signed up to receive whatever it is that I am sending. But it will not arrive (fully) unless I do something (or they remember to add a From: address that they do not yet know).
- BeetleB 4y ago
  > I'm not going to send a suitably-formatted request to you. That is the intended goal. In reality, if you read the article, your email goes into quarantine and if I really do want to read messages from your site, I simply whitelist the address with a keystroke.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    > if I really do want to read messages from your site If you didn't want to read them, you wouldn't have signed up. Your quarantine will be full (even more than "Spam"), and you won't know (necessarily) what the from address looks like.
    - BeetleB 4y ago
      > If you didn't want to read them, you wouldn't have signed up. There are many use cases beyond what you're stating. Often I need to sign up for a web site temporarily ("Sign up to get our free ebook!") ("You need to sign up to place an order") In those cases I simply ignore the emails. If I sign up for a newsletter with the intention of reading it, I'll keep an eye out for it and whitelist it. It's not hard. > Your quarantine will be full (even more than "Spam"), and you won't know (necessarily) what the from address looks like. I've been using this system for 3-4 years now, and this so far has not been a problem. I still monitor the quarantine folder as I don't expect everyone to go through the hoops to get to me. It's just a much smaller burden than having it all show up in the inbox and I can check it at a different pace (e.g. once every few days). And even if I somehow forget to whitelist your site, what's the worst that will happen? I won't get messages from your site. Of all my worries in this world, this just doesn't even register.

Gigachad 4y ago

I don't want to have to configure blacklists and whitelists. My current workflow which seems to be inline with the rest of the world is if the message is junk, send it to my email. If its important, send it to me via Teams/Slack. At least everything sent to me via IM apps comes from a real person.

wrycoder 4y ago
Where it disappears into the figurative rear view mirror.
BeetleB 4y ago
To each his/her own. I'm the opposite. Anything via IM is treated as fleeting, and if I don't get to it now it's forgotten. I'm not going to keep track of dozens of channels. The benefit of email is its openness. I can organize it as I wish - I can't seem to do that with Teams (nor Slack, most likely). Can I copy a Slack message and put it into my personal channel? Can I tag it with a label, and then do a query to get all messages with a label? Can I make a TODO item in the TODO app of my choice and link to a message? I do all this with email. It's even easy. Also, Teams/Slack searching sucks. They're also resource hogs.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  > Anything via IM is treated as fleeting, and if I don't get to it now it's forgotten. Agree on this - I'll reply to emails I got weeks ago when I finally get around to dealing with them. I've never responded to a chat message more than a day old (unless I've been offline for an extended period).

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago

So you sign up at my website for something. We send you an email. Your blocking system rejects it. I'm not going to send a suitably-formatted request to you.

Spivak 4y ago
I think you are sending exactly the kind of email the parent is trying to block — transactional email.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  The parent signed up to receive whatever it is that I am sending. But it will not arrive (fully) unless I do something (or they remember to add a From: address that they do not yet know).
BeetleB 4y ago
> I'm not going to send a suitably-formatted request to you. That is the intended goal. In reality, if you read the article, your email goes into quarantine and if I really do want to read messages from your site, I simply whitelist the address with a keystroke.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  > if I really do want to read messages from your site If you didn't want to read them, you wouldn't have signed up. Your quarantine will be full (even more than "Spam"), and you won't know (necessarily) what the from address looks like.
  - BeetleB 4y ago
    > If you didn't want to read them, you wouldn't have signed up. There are many use cases beyond what you're stating. Often I need to sign up for a web site temporarily ("Sign up to get our free ebook!") ("You need to sign up to place an order") In those cases I simply ignore the emails. If I sign up for a newsletter with the intention of reading it, I'll keep an eye out for it and whitelist it. It's not hard. > Your quarantine will be full (even more than "Spam"), and you won't know (necessarily) what the from address looks like. I've been using this system for 3-4 years now, and this so far has not been a problem. I still monitor the quarantine folder as I don't expect everyone to go through the hoops to get to me. It's just a much smaller burden than having it all show up in the inbox and I can check it at a different pace (e.g. once every few days). And even if I somehow forget to whitelist your site, what's the worst that will happen? I won't get messages from your site. Of all my worries in this world, this just doesn't even register.