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My body, my choice. Do you agree?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> My body, my choice. Do you agree? Broadly speaking, yes. The narrow point here is on how to deal with choices that hurt others. On the prescriptive side, we could foreclose that choice. That's mandatory vaccination. On the reactive side, we can assign liability. That's the point of my analogy.
- newaccount2021 4y ago
- uwagar 4y ago
  i cannot believe one says this when its well established that the vaccinated can get and transmit covid. until u could prove that majority of infections are caused by the unvaxxed, both of your prescriptions are tyrannical.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > cannot believe one says this when its well established that the vaccinated can get and transmit covid We're discussing polio. Not Covid.
    - uwagar 4y ago
      doesnt matter. show that an infection was caught from unvaccinated vs vaccinated. applies to polio or covid. only when u have sterilising immunity from vaccination could u mandate vaccinations or worse apply liability on the unvaxxed.
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > only when u have sterilising immunity from vaccination That’s the point. We have sterilising polio vaccines.
        uwagar 4y ago
        the ideology of mandating and punishing unvaxxed has got a shot in the arm since covid.
        t0bia_s 4y ago
        How you know that? How is possible that we still have virus in population?
- mbg721 4y ago
  Wasn't eugenicists' argument in the 20th century that the unfit were hurting others in society by breeding, and later by existing?
jasonlotito 4y ago
Yes. But if my choice involves pulling a trigger on a gun, then "My body, my choice" means little here should that bullet hit someone innocent. What's more interesting is the efforts the conservatives in the US have done to deny people their rights in this regard. And I'm not even talking about abortion. Conservatives have worked extra hard to deny Americans their rights when it comes to vaccinations and their private lives. It's a real shame.
- logic_beats_pro 4y ago
  Did you mean Liberals on that 2nd to last sentence?
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  But if my choice involves pulling a trigger on a gun, then "My body, my choice" means little here should that bullet hit someone innocent. Is unborn baby innocent? Conservatives have worked extra hard to deny Americans their rights when it comes to vaccinations and their private lives. Example?

> My body, my choice. Do you agree? Broadly speaking, yes. The narrow point here is on how to deal with choices that hurt others. On the prescriptive side, we could foreclose that choice. That's mandatory vaccination. On the reactive side, we can assign liability. That's the point of my analogy.

newaccount2021 4y ago
uwagar 4y ago
i cannot believe one says this when its well established that the vaccinated can get and transmit covid. until u could prove that majority of infections are caused by the unvaxxed, both of your prescriptions are tyrannical.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > cannot believe one says this when its well established that the vaccinated can get and transmit covid We're discussing polio. Not Covid.
  - uwagar 4y ago
    doesnt matter. show that an infection was caught from unvaccinated vs vaccinated. applies to polio or covid. only when u have sterilising immunity from vaccination could u mandate vaccinations or worse apply liability on the unvaxxed.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > only when u have sterilising immunity from vaccination That’s the point. We have sterilising polio vaccines.
      - uwagar 4y ago
        the ideology of mandating and punishing unvaxxed has got a shot in the arm since covid.
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        How you know that? How is possible that we still have virus in population?
mbg721 4y ago
Wasn't eugenicists' argument in the 20th century that the unfit were hurting others in society by breeding, and later by existing?

jasonlotito 4y ago

Yes. But if my choice involves pulling a trigger on a gun, then "My body, my choice" means little here should that bullet hit someone innocent. What's more interesting is the efforts the conservatives in the US have done to deny people their rights in this regard. And I'm not even talking about abortion. Conservatives have worked extra hard to deny Americans their rights when it comes to vaccinations and their private lives. It's a real shame.

logic_beats_pro 4y ago
Did you mean Liberals on that 2nd to last sentence?
t0bia_s 4y ago
But if my choice involves pulling a trigger on a gun, then "My body, my choice" means little here should that bullet hit someone innocent. Is unborn baby innocent? Conservatives have worked extra hard to deny Americans their rights when it comes to vaccinations and their private lives. Example?