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> The Wayback Machine begs to differ: Yeah, I get that the website google.com was around in 1998. I was around then, too, and used it too. But behind the scene

> The Wayback Machine begs to differ: Yeah, I get that the website google.com was around in 1998. I was around then, too, and used it too. But behind the scenes of that deceptively simple looking frontend, is a mass of data centers and a multi-million line code base that was (and indeed, still is) being updated and maintained by thousands of engineers to prevent it from falling apart or being abused by SEO maximizers to the point of being unusable. If it's so simple, please try to re-create it. It shouldn't take you too long. Just a wave of your hand. > if you don't upgrade your browser in the next two weeks it will not work at all" in my three decades of being on the internet. Plenty of back-end servers with zero day exploits have to be patched all the time. Other incidents happen all the time behind the scenes that engineers are forced to fix on short notice to keep a massive service operational. I'm guessing you've never worked on call as a dev ops engineer. Ethereum works. It has 100% uptime since 2015. That's impressive. Not even Google can claim that.

kkielhofner 4y ago
I have no idea how we're still talking past each other but assuming good faith I can only think we're having a basic communication problem? I'll try to be more explicit. Are you claiming Google had millions of lines of code and thousands of engineers in 1998? It certainly didn't - as best I can tell from history it had less than five people in the entire company at that point. My point is Google went from research paper to you and I using it in two years with a few hundred thousand dollars. For the record - I couldn't do this today let alone then and I don't know where you got the implication I said I could? Yes, over 25 years later it does roughly six billion searches per day and is what you describe. 500 hours of content are uploaded per minute to YouTube alone. I also didn't say Google was simple - actually the opposite. Again, point is a tiny number of people with an accompanying tiny amount of investment (relative to almost anything in blockchain today) did something very hard and had it in the hands of you and I in two years. Back to my original point, Ethereum is seven years in with an army of people (808 contributors to geth alone) and billions of dollars. Yet, as this merge has shown so far the implementation is fundamentally still a mess. I'm trying to make some comparisons between the early (10 or so) years of the web and blockchain. We don't have 30 years of blockchain to look back on so I have no idea why you insist on bringing the state of Google in 2022 to the discussion as it has no relevance whatsoever.

kkielhofner 4y ago

I have no idea how we're still talking past each other but assuming good faith I can only think we're having a basic communication problem? I'll try to be more explicit. Are you claiming Google had millions of lines of code and thousands of engineers in 1998? It certainly didn't - as best I can tell from history it had less than five people in the entire company at that point. My point is Google went from research paper to you and I using it in two years with a few hundred thousand dollars. For the record - I couldn't do this today let alone then and I don't know where you got the implication I said I could? Yes, over 25 years later it does roughly six billion searches per day and is what you describe. 500 hours of content are uploaded per minute to YouTube alone. I also didn't say Google was simple - actually the opposite. Again, point is a tiny number of people with an accompanying tiny amount of investment (relative to almost anything in blockchain today) did something very hard and had it in the hands of you and I in two years. Back to my original point, Ethereum is seven years in with an army of people (808 contributors to geth alone) and billions of dollars. Yet, as this merge has shown so far the implementation is fundamentally still a mess. I'm trying to make some comparisons between the early (10 or so) years of the web and blockchain. We don't have 30 years of blockchain to look back on so I have no idea why you insist on bringing the state of Google in 2022 to the discussion as it has no relevance whatsoever.