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I recently bought an escooter to get around easily in the suburbs where I live. One concern I have is theft. It seems that no lock can withstand 30-60 seconds o

I recently bought an escooter to get around easily in the suburbs where I live. One concern I have is theft. It seems that no lock can withstand 30-60 seconds of lockpicking/brute-forcing. Does anyone have suggestions on how to mitigate this risk?

humanwhosits 4y ago
Zero SR/S It's heavy enough to stop the casual theft
- sph 4y ago
  How is a motorcycle gonna stop people from stealing my ebike?
  - nick_ 4y ago
    Um, just buy the electric motorcycle for 8x the cost of your ebike?
  - r00fus 4y ago
    Grand Theft Auto (the legal construct, not the game) [1]. "In many states, grand theft auto laws apply not only to the theft of cars but also to the theft of boats, campers, motorcycles, and other vehicles." IMHO, if this applied to bikes as well, it would add a LOT of deterrent for bike/e-bike theft. [1] https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Grand-theft-auto.htm https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federa...
CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
I've looked into this a while ago and my conclusion was that a good u-lock (Abus, Kryptonite) should be very hard to pick to someone who isn't the lockpicking lawyer , is hard to brute force and is portable. A thick chain might be better but is too heavy to take on a bicycle. Anything else is too easily bruteforced. Always lock your bike to something or they can just walk away with it. If you're really paranoid you can take two u-locks from different brands and leave a chain at your work and home. At that point the weak link will probably be the thing you're locking your bike to.
tppiotrowski 4y ago
Maybe put a "GPS Tracking" sticker on it to deter thieves and maybe try to hide an AirTag somewhere as well so you can try to recover it?
lm28469 4y ago
If they're determined enough, have the tool and time you can't do anything. pick as many as you can: - get a very good chain - chain your escooter to something that can't be moved, or get a ground anchor if possible - use an alarm brake disk lock - use a motorcycle cover with a wired alarm - park in a safe spot - never leave your scooter in the exact same spot for days/weeks - get a proper insurance I personally had one of these, I expect the size alone is a good deterrent: https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/accessories/locks/kryptonite-new-york-fahgettaboudit-chain-review/ https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/accessories/locks/kryptoni... > It seems that no lock can withstand 30-60 seconds of lockpicking/brute-forcing Unless you're a lockpicking expert or have access to emergency services grade power tools this is wrong. This is the "small" version of what I used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9SEThrJMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9SEThrJMY You need 30s for one cut, but you need two cuts to get the chain free, so that would be 1 minute if you brought your angle grinder, a source of electricity, and some kind of heavy duty vise to keep the chain in position while you cut it Most theft are crimes of opportunity, I wouldn't worry too much about an escooter if it looks like it would be a pain in the ass to steal. If you had a $20k italian supersport bike parked in a regular street of a crime ridden city I'd start worrying (and look for a private garage)

humanwhosits 4y ago

Zero SR/S It's heavy enough to stop the casual theft

sph 4y ago
How is a motorcycle gonna stop people from stealing my ebike?
- nick_ 4y ago
  Um, just buy the electric motorcycle for 8x the cost of your ebike?
- r00fus 4y ago
  Grand Theft Auto (the legal construct, not the game) [1]. "In many states, grand theft auto laws apply not only to the theft of cars but also to the theft of boats, campers, motorcycles, and other vehicles." IMHO, if this applied to bikes as well, it would add a LOT of deterrent for bike/e-bike theft. [1] https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Grand-theft-auto.htm https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federa...

CorrectHorseBat 4y ago

I've looked into this a while ago and my conclusion was that a good u-lock (Abus, Kryptonite) should be very hard to pick to someone who isn't the lockpicking lawyer , is hard to brute force and is portable. A thick chain might be better but is too heavy to take on a bicycle. Anything else is too easily bruteforced. Always lock your bike to something or they can just walk away with it. If you're really paranoid you can take two u-locks from different brands and leave a chain at your work and home. At that point the weak link will probably be the thing you're locking your bike to.

tppiotrowski 4y ago

Maybe put a "GPS Tracking" sticker on it to deter thieves and maybe try to hide an AirTag somewhere as well so you can try to recover it?

lm28469 4y ago

If they're determined enough, have the tool and time you can't do anything. pick as many as you can: - get a very good chain - chain your escooter to something that can't be moved, or get a ground anchor if possible - use an alarm brake disk lock - use a motorcycle cover with a wired alarm - park in a safe spot - never leave your scooter in the exact same spot for days/weeks - get a proper insurance I personally had one of these, I expect the size alone is a good deterrent: https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/accessories/locks/kryptonite-new-york-fahgettaboudit-chain-review/ https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/accessories/locks/kryptoni... > It seems that no lock can withstand 30-60 seconds of lockpicking/brute-forcing Unless you're a lockpicking expert or have access to emergency services grade power tools this is wrong. This is the "small" version of what I used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9SEThrJMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9SEThrJMY You need 30s for one cut, but you need two cuts to get the chain free, so that would be 1 minute if you brought your angle grinder, a source of electricity, and some kind of heavy duty vise to keep the chain in position while you cut it Most theft are crimes of opportunity, I wouldn't worry too much about an escooter if it looks like it would be a pain in the ass to steal. If you had a $20k italian supersport bike parked in a regular street of a crime ridden city I'd start worrying (and look for a private garage)