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What has > Trump has already proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of. ? Has he ever been convicted in a court? Or did you mean a different phrasing

• CamperBob2 4y ago
  Sorry, yes, poorly phrased. We don't know if he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt, and probably won't, because presidents and former presidents are immune to prosecution in this country. It's always possible the he had legitimate reasons for storing SC information outside a SCIF. No one can think of any, including his own legal team, but hey, ex-President, right?
  • wyldfire 4y ago
    > because presidents and former presidents are immune to prosecution in this country. I think saying things like this is deliberately provocative -- it's not the case. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice." Trump commits crimes flagrantly and to such a degree that Nixon never would have dreamed. He will get some kind of legal consequence ... eventually.
    • yupper32 4y ago
      > He will get some kind of legal consequence ... eventually. I don't see how you could possibly be confident of that. Even if he is absolutely guilty and gets to the point of a trial, which alone is a huge huge huge huge step, he may be able to delay things for the rest of his life.
  • Consultant32452 4y ago
    Are you aware that Trump could have tweeted a copy of every top secret document the government has and it would have been perfectly legal?
    • CamperBob2 4y ago
      Maybe. That's not what he did, though. If you think it's a good idea to allow a former POTUS to retroactively and implicitly declassify information he is caught with after leaving office, or to issue a sweeping declaration that any documents he takes out of the Oval Office are automatically declassified, I suspect you won't be as blasé when someone of the opposing political party does it.
      • wyldfire 4y ago
        "Buttery Males!"
      • the_optimist 4y ago
        You invented 'retroactive.' I suppose you are blasé about this because it applies to someone of an opposing political party.
        • CamperBob2 4y ago
          Is there any actual evidence that he declassified all of that material while in office? Did he even tell anybody? No? Well, then, any such claims are necessarily retroactive, or else they're invalid from the get-go. Which do you prefer?
          • Consultant32452 4y ago
            Any ideas you have about the President having to follow any sort of official process regarding classification are nothing but illusions. The most you're going to get here is he's irresponsible in a way people don't like but is not criminal. Even if I were to imagine he were technically breaking the law with some of these documents, look at it from a practical standpoint. At one point he could've done whatever he wanted to with any documents, including tweeting them publicly. He may or may not have taken some sensitive information and stored it in a building wholly owned (secured) by the secret service. There is not really any risk here, any crimes would be mere technicalities. Of all the crimes every President in my lifetime has committed, including Trump, mishandling some secret documents in this way is a total nothingburger. It's almost certainly not a crime and even if it is a crime it's a paperwork technicality crime.