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> If you control 51% of the network (actually, with Ethereum PoS that number is 67%, as you need 2/3 of the validators to control consensus) and people know you

> If you control 51% of the network (actually, with Ethereum PoS that number is 67%, as you need 2/3 of the validators to control consensus) and people know you are malicious, people will abandon the network and you will lose your investment because no one is interested in participating in a network controlled by a crook. If that 67% is also true of the slasher voting protocol, then that means you just need 33% of the network to avoid being slashed. Is that wrong? > Can you please stop with the concern trolling? Can you please stop trying to claim a moral high ground for no reason?

rglullis 4y ago
> just need 33% of the network to avoid being slashed. Is that wrong? Yes, it is wrong.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  How is it wrong? If you need 67% consensus to approve a transaction, and slashing is a transaction, then you can prevent slashing with 33%. What's incorrect about that reasoning?
  - rglullis 4y ago
    You won't be prevent slashing with 1/3, you will be merely delaying the block production each time is is proposed. Every time your 1/3 of the nodes attempt maliciously delays of production of a valid block, you will be slashed, and then you won't have 1/3 of the required funds at stake anymore.
    - spywaregorilla 4y ago
      But... you can't be slashed unless a block gets processed that supports your slashing, correct?
      - rglullis 4y ago
        Yes, but what is your point? You will be slashed no matter how hard you try to avoid it, unless you have 2/3 of the validators. The closer you are to 2/3, the faster you will be slashed. The system is self-estabilizing.
      - pa7x1 4y ago
        There is an inactivity leak that gets triggered if you prevent with over 1/3 of your votes from the network reaching consensus. Inactive validators start to leak ETH from their stake until they become less than 1/3 of the total stake and cannot prevent consensus again. https://eth2book.info/altair/part2/incentives/inactivity https://eth2book.info/altair/part2/incentives/inactivity
        spywaregorilla 4y ago
        Does the network recognize a difference between being inactive/offline and actively voting no?
        pa7x1 4y ago
        There is no difference as far as I know. The network is supposed to finalize blocks that are almost 13 minutes old. If it's not able to do that because there is not sufficient quorum then it starts the inactivity leak phase and the penalties associated. By the way, there is a bug bounty program. You can earn up to 1M USD per critical bug either in the protocol or its implementations.

rglullis 4y ago

> just need 33% of the network to avoid being slashed. Is that wrong? Yes, it is wrong.

spywaregorilla 4y ago
How is it wrong? If you need 67% consensus to approve a transaction, and slashing is a transaction, then you can prevent slashing with 33%. What's incorrect about that reasoning?
- rglullis 4y ago
  You won't be prevent slashing with 1/3, you will be merely delaying the block production each time is is proposed. Every time your 1/3 of the nodes attempt maliciously delays of production of a valid block, you will be slashed, and then you won't have 1/3 of the required funds at stake anymore.
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    But... you can't be slashed unless a block gets processed that supports your slashing, correct?
    - rglullis 4y ago
      Yes, but what is your point? You will be slashed no matter how hard you try to avoid it, unless you have 2/3 of the validators. The closer you are to 2/3, the faster you will be slashed. The system is self-estabilizing.
    - pa7x1 4y ago
      There is an inactivity leak that gets triggered if you prevent with over 1/3 of your votes from the network reaching consensus. Inactive validators start to leak ETH from their stake until they become less than 1/3 of the total stake and cannot prevent consensus again. https://eth2book.info/altair/part2/incentives/inactivity https://eth2book.info/altair/part2/incentives/inactivity
      - spywaregorilla 4y ago
        Does the network recognize a difference between being inactive/offline and actively voting no?
        pa7x1 4y ago
        There is no difference as far as I know. The network is supposed to finalize blocks that are almost 13 minutes old. If it's not able to do that because there is not sufficient quorum then it starts the inactivity leak phase and the penalties associated. By the way, there is a bug bounty program. You can earn up to 1M USD per critical bug either in the protocol or its implementations.