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Yes, providing well detailed manuals on how to work around Apple's hostility to repairing is a good thing. A $500 replacement part to replace a battery is not a

Yes, providing well detailed manuals on how to work around Apple's hostility to repairing is a good thing. A $500 replacement part to replace a battery is not a good thing. I'd also say that your average end user is probably still going to be breaking tabs. Applying proper force requires physical calibration; calibration takes practice.

dewey 4y ago
> I'd also say that your average end user is probably still going to be breaking tabs The average end user is not going to do the repair themselves.
- falcolas 4y ago
  Which is a relatively new phenomenon when it comes to batteries. It's only been a handful of year since I could swap them out with a couple of latches.
  - dewey 4y ago
    To be fair, batteries back then lasted a lot shorter than they do now. For my first MBP I had to buy multiple replacement batteries, for my newer ones I didn't have to do that a single time while using them much more.
    - Symbiote 4y ago
      Even today, replacing the batteries on a laptop from a competing manufacturer is a 10 minute job with an ordinary screwdriver. Many people can do it themselves, and if not, a computer/phone repair shop will do it for $10 (or free, if you buy the battery from them). Example: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dell+Latitude+7480++Battery+Replacement/117763 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dell+Latitude+7480++Battery+Rep...
    - smitty1110 4y ago
      Don't forget that they also had significant wear after only a few months. HP sucked so much money out of me with replacement batteries before I switched to an MBP in 2015. I haven't bought anything from HP since, and good riddance.
  - olliej 4y ago
    Yes, they were also physically bulkier, weighed more, and substantially lower battery capacity. The last non-screwdriver replaceable MacBook Pro was 50% heavier, 50% thicker, and had a battery that was less than 50% the capacity. That difference in battery capacity matches almost exactly the user experienced battery life from the last screwdriver-free replaceable battery MacBook and the last intel laptop.

dewey 4y ago

> I'd also say that your average end user is probably still going to be breaking tabs The average end user is not going to do the repair themselves.

falcolas 4y ago
Which is a relatively new phenomenon when it comes to batteries. It's only been a handful of year since I could swap them out with a couple of latches.
- dewey 4y ago
  To be fair, batteries back then lasted a lot shorter than they do now. For my first MBP I had to buy multiple replacement batteries, for my newer ones I didn't have to do that a single time while using them much more.
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    Even today, replacing the batteries on a laptop from a competing manufacturer is a 10 minute job with an ordinary screwdriver. Many people can do it themselves, and if not, a computer/phone repair shop will do it for $10 (or free, if you buy the battery from them). Example: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dell+Latitude+7480++Battery+Replacement/117763 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dell+Latitude+7480++Battery+Rep...
  - smitty1110 4y ago
    Don't forget that they also had significant wear after only a few months. HP sucked so much money out of me with replacement batteries before I switched to an MBP in 2015. I haven't bought anything from HP since, and good riddance.
- olliej 4y ago
  Yes, they were also physically bulkier, weighed more, and substantially lower battery capacity. The last non-screwdriver replaceable MacBook Pro was 50% heavier, 50% thicker, and had a battery that was less than 50% the capacity. That difference in battery capacity matches almost exactly the user experienced battery life from the last screwdriver-free replaceable battery MacBook and the last intel laptop.