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No, I haven't. A message from an entity which has not yet sent a spam message does indeed have the save priorization characteristics as one from any other enti

No, I haven't. A message from an entity which has not yet sent a spam message does indeed have the save priorization characteristics as one from any other entity withour connections to anything, but presumably a new user is invited by someone. Furthermore, a new user could presumably say things on the spam-filled rubbish subforums, until he gets an upvote from someone who is trusted by somebody, and then after a while he becomes a participant. The readon you see problems is, I think, that you imagine a system of private, individual, communication, while I imagine an enormous public forum.

bcrl 4y ago
You are failing to address a use-case that matters. As a result, your solution can't be adopted by everyone, and will therefore fail. You need to consider privacy concerns, as not everyone in the world wants to see their web of associations made public. Look at privacy laws in Europe and other countries to get a better idea of what is required. Writing code is dead easy if you remove all the requirements from users.
- impossiblefork 4y ago
  Yes, but I am interested in forums-- things resembling slashdot, or reddit or flashback. Furthermore, among high-trust users PMs can be permitted even on such systems; and I csn actually give a superb procedure for dealing with spam in PMs among moderately trusted users: by letting a receiving user move a PM into the public flow of the sender.
  - bcrl 4y ago
    Forums still have individual to individual conversations. Forums also have instances where individuals have an excellent reputation on one group but post what is considered to be spam in other groups. Take reddit and /r/theDonald. Reputation management is non-trivial, and trivial designs fail in the real world. Plus you still have the problem of how to treat an individual that is a first time poster. On many forums I never bothered creating an account until I felt I had something useful to contribute. In your system, how do you distinguish between the first time poster making a beneficial addition to the conversation versus a first time spammer? I feel you're hand waving this really hard problem away.
    - impossiblefork 4y ago
      Yes, and this is why this one-graph-for-everyone makes so much sense for forums. The Donald was genuinely popular. Some people didn't want it to be, but it was. I believe that this contributed more to its banning than any incidents relating to it. The problem you're bringing up isn't really a solvable problem unless you have a human secretary as intelligent as yourself, and then it would be as appropriate for you to be the secretary for the person you'd have as a secretary. Curation by some entity is going to involve being manipulated, which is very dangerous.
lukasyuy5 4y ago

bcrl 4y ago

You are failing to address a use-case that matters. As a result, your solution can't be adopted by everyone, and will therefore fail. You need to consider privacy concerns, as not everyone in the world wants to see their web of associations made public. Look at privacy laws in Europe and other countries to get a better idea of what is required. Writing code is dead easy if you remove all the requirements from users.

impossiblefork 4y ago
Yes, but I am interested in forums-- things resembling slashdot, or reddit or flashback. Furthermore, among high-trust users PMs can be permitted even on such systems; and I csn actually give a superb procedure for dealing with spam in PMs among moderately trusted users: by letting a receiving user move a PM into the public flow of the sender.
- bcrl 4y ago
  Forums still have individual to individual conversations. Forums also have instances where individuals have an excellent reputation on one group but post what is considered to be spam in other groups. Take reddit and /r/theDonald. Reputation management is non-trivial, and trivial designs fail in the real world. Plus you still have the problem of how to treat an individual that is a first time poster. On many forums I never bothered creating an account until I felt I had something useful to contribute. In your system, how do you distinguish between the first time poster making a beneficial addition to the conversation versus a first time spammer? I feel you're hand waving this really hard problem away.
  - impossiblefork 4y ago
    Yes, and this is why this one-graph-for-everyone makes so much sense for forums. The Donald was genuinely popular. Some people didn't want it to be, but it was. I believe that this contributed more to its banning than any incidents relating to it. The problem you're bringing up isn't really a solvable problem unless you have a human secretary as intelligent as yourself, and then it would be as appropriate for you to be the secretary for the person you'd have as a secretary. Curation by some entity is going to involve being manipulated, which is very dangerous.

lukasyuy5 4y ago