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> All of the world's problems are government-created Earthquakes? Dandelions? Sunburn? Marital infidelity?

rglover 4y ago
> Earthquakes? Earthquakes aren't the problem, zoning policies and poor decision making skills are. > Dandelions? Sunburn? Assuming you mean allergies, these are problems of the human body, not the world. > Marital infidelity? 1. Financial stress caused by government mismanagement of money. 2. Weakening the relational bonds of men and women and incentivizing infidelity via the welfare system and no-fault divorce. 3. The controversial one: a constant, unrelenting weakening of the male population via manipulation of the food, water, and media (incentivized by government meddling in private industry), rendering them genetically unattractive (or incapable) forcing women to seek...alternatives. And for the pedant that says "what about men that cheat," there's a good chance he's the alternative (and actively circumvents the system others willfully subject themselves to out of naivety).
- marshray 4y ago
  This isn't 'controversial', it's total Alex Jones Infowars-type batshit.
  - rglover 4y ago
    It's not, that's just a convenient dismissal. Look around. None of what's happening is a mistake, it's just painful to contemplate and denial of it is easier (hence why politicians continue to run amok—nobody wants to face the truth).
    - marshray 4y ago
      No. Some of us do, in fact, seek the truth and attempt to face it. You are being dismissed out-of-hand because you make extraordinary, non-falsifiable claims ("None of what's happening is a mistake") without bothering to present any evidence in support of them.
      - rglover 4y ago
        Testosterone rates are down over the last 50 years [1]. That correlates with the changes to food production to lower costs [2], [3]. Based on your "alex jones" jab, you clearly took my statement to refer to a "conspiracy," when really I attribute these changes to a combination of: 1. Financial incentives for corner-cutting which are bolstered by government policies increasing regulation (production, safety, employment, etc) [4], leading to companies having to spend more for compliance and look for ways to corner cut, with the unfortunate choice being product quality, or, increased prices. 2. The government legislating to have ever-increasing budgets for entitlement programs [5] and other superfluous spending which necessitate higher taxes (financial pressure on working class people) and money printing. These, predictably, lead to inflation which corporations combat by increasing prices and so upward mobility gets knee-capped for a large chunk of the population. On the relationships side, divorces went up significantly in the 80s and were stable until the early 2010s [6] as marriages started to decline and single parenting increased [7]. The greater point being, all of these changes can be attributed back to social changes with a root cause of government decision making. Like I said, look around. It's all there. Admittedly, it's complex and it's far too easy to take an irrational stance in the form of "it's the globalists!" but in reality, a lot of poor decision making and mismanagement in the government is the root of our woes. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516261/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516261/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21367944/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21367944/ [4] https://www.nahb.org/blog/2021/05/regulatory-costs-add-a-whopping-93870-to-new-home-prices/ https://www.nahb.org/blog/2021/05/regulatory-costs-add-a-who... [5] https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0027_entitlement-programs... [6] https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-year-low https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-... [7] https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-births-to-unmarried-women/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-...
        marshray 4y ago
        [1] Not impressed by this study of only Israeli men over 2006 to 2019. For every age range, the number of subjects went up during the study period. Overall, the study ended with about twice the number of subjects in the last period than the first. Look at Chart A. The error bars are noticeably smaller for later periods compared to the earlier periods. Something else is going on in this data that they are not accounting for. Probably some combination of either the tests were changed, or the criteria for ordering the test were loosened over the study period. The other stuff you wrote is just the same right-wing navel-gazing that I've heard over and over since the 1980's.

> Earthquakes? Earthquakes aren't the problem, zoning policies and poor decision making skills are. > Dandelions? Sunburn? Assuming you mean allergies, these are problems of the human body, not the world. > Marital infidelity? 1. Financial stress caused by government mismanagement of money. 2. Weakening the relational bonds of men and women and incentivizing infidelity via the welfare system and no-fault divorce. 3. The controversial one: a constant, unrelenting weakening of the male population via manipulation of the food, water, and media (incentivized by government meddling in private industry), rendering them genetically unattractive (or incapable) forcing women to seek...alternatives. And for the pedant that says "what about men that cheat," there's a good chance he's the alternative (and actively circumvents the system others willfully subject themselves to out of naivety).

marshray 4y ago
This isn't 'controversial', it's total Alex Jones Infowars-type batshit.
- rglover 4y ago
  It's not, that's just a convenient dismissal. Look around. None of what's happening is a mistake, it's just painful to contemplate and denial of it is easier (hence why politicians continue to run amok—nobody wants to face the truth).
  - marshray 4y ago
    No. Some of us do, in fact, seek the truth and attempt to face it. You are being dismissed out-of-hand because you make extraordinary, non-falsifiable claims ("None of what's happening is a mistake") without bothering to present any evidence in support of them.
    - rglover 4y ago
      Testosterone rates are down over the last 50 years [1]. That correlates with the changes to food production to lower costs [2], [3]. Based on your "alex jones" jab, you clearly took my statement to refer to a "conspiracy," when really I attribute these changes to a combination of: 1. Financial incentives for corner-cutting which are bolstered by government policies increasing regulation (production, safety, employment, etc) [4], leading to companies having to spend more for compliance and look for ways to corner cut, with the unfortunate choice being product quality, or, increased prices. 2. The government legislating to have ever-increasing budgets for entitlement programs [5] and other superfluous spending which necessitate higher taxes (financial pressure on working class people) and money printing. These, predictably, lead to inflation which corporations combat by increasing prices and so upward mobility gets knee-capped for a large chunk of the population. On the relationships side, divorces went up significantly in the 80s and were stable until the early 2010s [6] as marriages started to decline and single parenting increased [7]. The greater point being, all of these changes can be attributed back to social changes with a root cause of government decision making. Like I said, look around. It's all there. Admittedly, it's complex and it's far too easy to take an irrational stance in the form of "it's the globalists!" but in reality, a lot of poor decision making and mismanagement in the government is the root of our woes. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516261/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516261/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21367944/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21367944/ [4] https://www.nahb.org/blog/2021/05/regulatory-costs-add-a-whopping-93870-to-new-home-prices/ https://www.nahb.org/blog/2021/05/regulatory-costs-add-a-who... [5] https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0027_entitlement-programs... [6] https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-year-low https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-... [7] https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-births-to-unmarried-women/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-...
      - marshray 4y ago
        [1] Not impressed by this study of only Israeli men over 2006 to 2019. For every age range, the number of subjects went up during the study period. Overall, the study ended with about twice the number of subjects in the last period than the first. Look at Chart A. The error bars are noticeably smaller for later periods compared to the earlier periods. Something else is going on in this data that they are not accounting for. Probably some combination of either the tests were changed, or the criteria for ordering the test were loosened over the study period. The other stuff you wrote is just the same right-wing navel-gazing that I've heard over and over since the 1980's.