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Absolutely inane response. Most energy used by miners is not clean. And much of the world is either experiencing a large increase in energy costs or, in Europe’

Absolutely inane response. Most energy used by miners is not clean. And much of the world is either experiencing a large increase in energy costs or, in Europe’s case, an impending energy crisis due to the war in Ukraine.

rglover 4y ago
- survirtual 4y ago
  Exactly. We’ve had over 50 years to transition off of oil and onto nuclear / electric infrastructure. Instead of that, the world leaders sat with their thumbs in ass on yachts, coked out orgies, and mc-mansions on humanities dime, slurping a gravy train that lasts a generation or two because “who cares what happens after I’m gone”. Now the bell of death tolls and it is suddenly “everyone who has been locked up with no say”’s problem. People were duped and trusted greedy imbeciles with resource allocation, and then have to bail the same morons out. PoW binds value to unavoidable physics. Clean up your energy or your planet dies. Increase compute capabilities or you will be left behind by others that do. It forces progress. PoS binds value to rich people’s ballsacks. It results in no physical value binding, and is a digital continuation of the incompetent making resource allocation decisions — leading humanity right off a cliff. I just don’t get how we can have all knowledge at our fingertips and humanity is still this bad at decision making.
- marshray 4y ago
  > All of the world's problems are government-created Earthquakes? Dandelions? Sunburn? Marital infidelity?
  - rglover 4y ago
    > Earthquakes? Earthquakes aren't the problem, zoning policies and poor decision making skills are. > Dandelions? Sunburn? Assuming you mean allergies, these are problems of the human body, not the world. > Marital infidelity? 1. Financial stress caused by government mismanagement of money. 2. Weakening the relational bonds of men and women and incentivizing infidelity via the welfare system and no-fault divorce. 3. The controversial one: a constant, unrelenting weakening of the male population via manipulation of the food, water, and media (incentivized by government meddling in private industry), rendering them genetically unattractive (or incapable) forcing women to seek...alternatives. And for the pedant that says "what about men that cheat," there's a good chance he's the alternative (and actively circumvents the system others willfully subject themselves to out of naivety).
    - marshray 4y ago
      This isn't 'controversial', it's total Alex Jones Infowars-type batshit.
      - rglover 4y ago
        It's not, that's just a convenient dismissal. Look around. None of what's happening is a mistake, it's just painful to contemplate and denial of it is easier (hence why politicians continue to run amok—nobody wants to face the truth).
        marshray 4y ago
        No. Some of us do, in fact, seek the truth and attempt to face it. You are being dismissed out-of-hand because you make extraordinary, non-falsifiable claims ("None of what's happening is a mistake") without bothering to present any evidence in support of them.
        rglover 4y ago
        Testosterone rates are down over the last 50 years [1]. That correlates with the changes to food production to lower costs [2], [3]. Based on your "alex jones" jab, you clearly took my statement to refer to a "conspiracy," when really I attribute these changes to a combination of: 1. Financial incentives for corner-cutting which are bolstered by government policies increasing regulation (production, safety, employment, etc) [4], leading to companies having to spend more for compliance and look for ways to corner cut, with the unfortunate choice being product quality, or, increased prices. 2. The government legislating to have ever-increasing budgets for entitlement programs [5] and other superfluous spending which necessitate higher taxes (financial pressure on working class people) and money printing. These, predictably, lead to inflation which corporations combat by increasing prices and so upward mobility gets knee-capped for a large chunk of the population. On the relationships side, divorces went up significantly in the 80s and were stable until the early 2010s [6] as marriages started to decline and single parenting increased [7]. The greater point being, all of these changes can be attributed back to social changes with a root cause of government decision making. Like I said, look around. It's all there. Admittedly, it's complex and it's far too easy to take an irrational stance in the form of "it's the globalists!" but in reality, a lot of poor decision making and mismanagement in the government is the root of our woes. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516261/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516261/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21367944/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21367944/ [4] https://www.nahb.org/blog/2021/05/regulatory-costs-add-a-whopping-93870-to-new-home-prices/ https://www.nahb.org/blog/2021/05/regulatory-costs-add-a-who... [5] https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0027_entitlement-programs... [6] https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-year-low https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-... [7] https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-births-to-unmarried-women/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-...
jbaczuk 4y ago
If your answer to clean energy to just use less energy, that seems inane. Also the increase in energy costs because of the war in Ukraine is directly related to dependence on foreign fuel which is not clean. So the problem isn't energy consumption, the problem is using fossil fuels.
- teaearlgraycold 4y ago
  Lower consumption works even better than cleaner energy. Even wind/solar/nuclear has a carbon cost to it. PoS consumes less energy than PoW. That's a win.
  - jbaczuk 4y ago
    > Even wind/solar/nuclear has a carbon cost to it. Yeah, so does life.
    - stale2002 4y ago
      But the point here is that if there are easy ways to reduce energy usage, that have few drawbacks, then that is a good thing to get that free lunch.
      - jbaczuk 4y ago
        I understand. My point is there is no reason to reduce energy usage. There is reason to reduce "dirty" energy usage. There is an abundant supply of "clean" energy.
        stale2002 4y ago
        > My point is there is no reason to reduce energy usage. There is reason to reduce "dirty" energy usage Reducing energy usage is almost exactly the same thing as reducing dirty energy usage. This is because if there is X less total energy required, that means we can shutdown the X worst energy producing sources.

rglover 4y ago

survirtual 4y ago
Exactly. We’ve had over 50 years to transition off of oil and onto nuclear / electric infrastructure. Instead of that, the world leaders sat with their thumbs in ass on yachts, coked out orgies, and mc-mansions on humanities dime, slurping a gravy train that lasts a generation or two because “who cares what happens after I’m gone”. Now the bell of death tolls and it is suddenly “everyone who has been locked up with no say”’s problem. People were duped and trusted greedy imbeciles with resource allocation, and then have to bail the same morons out. PoW binds value to unavoidable physics. Clean up your energy or your planet dies. Increase compute capabilities or you will be left behind by others that do. It forces progress. PoS binds value to rich people’s ballsacks. It results in no physical value binding, and is a digital continuation of the incompetent making resource allocation decisions — leading humanity right off a cliff. I just don’t get how we can have all knowledge at our fingertips and humanity is still this bad at decision making.
marshray 4y ago
> All of the world's problems are government-created Earthquakes? Dandelions? Sunburn? Marital infidelity?
- rglover 4y ago
  > Earthquakes? Earthquakes aren't the problem, zoning policies and poor decision making skills are. > Dandelions? Sunburn? Assuming you mean allergies, these are problems of the human body, not the world. > Marital infidelity? 1. Financial stress caused by government mismanagement of money. 2. Weakening the relational bonds of men and women and incentivizing infidelity via the welfare system and no-fault divorce. 3. The controversial one: a constant, unrelenting weakening of the male population via manipulation of the food, water, and media (incentivized by government meddling in private industry), rendering them genetically unattractive (or incapable) forcing women to seek...alternatives. And for the pedant that says "what about men that cheat," there's a good chance he's the alternative (and actively circumvents the system others willfully subject themselves to out of naivety).
  - marshray 4y ago
    This isn't 'controversial', it's total Alex Jones Infowars-type batshit.
    - rglover 4y ago
      It's not, that's just a convenient dismissal. Look around. None of what's happening is a mistake, it's just painful to contemplate and denial of it is easier (hence why politicians continue to run amok—nobody wants to face the truth).
      - marshray 4y ago
        No. Some of us do, in fact, seek the truth and attempt to face it. You are being dismissed out-of-hand because you make extraordinary, non-falsifiable claims ("None of what's happening is a mistake") without bothering to present any evidence in support of them.
        rglover 4y ago
        Testosterone rates are down over the last 50 years [1]. That correlates with the changes to food production to lower costs [2], [3]. Based on your "alex jones" jab, you clearly took my statement to refer to a "conspiracy," when really I attribute these changes to a combination of: 1. Financial incentives for corner-cutting which are bolstered by government policies increasing regulation (production, safety, employment, etc) [4], leading to companies having to spend more for compliance and look for ways to corner cut, with the unfortunate choice being product quality, or, increased prices. 2. The government legislating to have ever-increasing budgets for entitlement programs [5] and other superfluous spending which necessitate higher taxes (financial pressure on working class people) and money printing. These, predictably, lead to inflation which corporations combat by increasing prices and so upward mobility gets knee-capped for a large chunk of the population. On the relationships side, divorces went up significantly in the 80s and were stable until the early 2010s [6] as marriages started to decline and single parenting increased [7]. The greater point being, all of these changes can be attributed back to social changes with a root cause of government decision making. Like I said, look around. It's all there. Admittedly, it's complex and it's far too easy to take an irrational stance in the form of "it's the globalists!" but in reality, a lot of poor decision making and mismanagement in the government is the root of our woes. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516261/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20516261/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21367944/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21367944/ [4] https://www.nahb.org/blog/2021/05/regulatory-costs-add-a-whopping-93870-to-new-home-prices/ https://www.nahb.org/blog/2021/05/regulatory-costs-add-a-who... [5] https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0027_entitlement-programs... [6] https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-year-low https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-... [7] https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-births-to-unmarried-women/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276025/us-percentage-of-...

jbaczuk 4y ago

If your answer to clean energy to just use less energy, that seems inane. Also the increase in energy costs because of the war in Ukraine is directly related to dependence on foreign fuel which is not clean. So the problem isn't energy consumption, the problem is using fossil fuels.

teaearlgraycold 4y ago
Lower consumption works even better than cleaner energy. Even wind/solar/nuclear has a carbon cost to it. PoS consumes less energy than PoW. That's a win.
- jbaczuk 4y ago
  > Even wind/solar/nuclear has a carbon cost to it. Yeah, so does life.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    But the point here is that if there are easy ways to reduce energy usage, that have few drawbacks, then that is a good thing to get that free lunch.
    - jbaczuk 4y ago
      I understand. My point is there is no reason to reduce energy usage. There is reason to reduce "dirty" energy usage. There is an abundant supply of "clean" energy.
      - stale2002 4y ago
        > My point is there is no reason to reduce energy usage. There is reason to reduce "dirty" energy usage Reducing energy usage is almost exactly the same thing as reducing dirty energy usage. This is because if there is X less total energy required, that means we can shutdown the X worst energy producing sources.