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And people act like some Tesla scammed California by not rolling out the technology widely. But this was never a requirement of the grand. The whole point of s

And people act like some Tesla scammed California by not rolling out the technology widely. But this was never a requirement of the grand. The whole point of such grants is to figure out if its a commercially viable solution or not, and it wasn't. Or at least not the best one.

erulabs 4y ago
Or, they take both positions simultaneously: The beta was rolled out recklessly but also they haven't delivered what they promised. Turns out self-driving is harder than people thought - and a few upper middle class folks like myself dropped 3k on something that isn't that useful. This occurs... millions of times a day with all sorts of products. What an absolute tragedy? I'm actually glad they they've decided to slow down iteration on the self-driving stack - in the early days the self-driving would change behavior from patch to patch - it was extremely difficult to get an idea of what it would be thinking. It's obviously not the product that we all wished it was - but... does any product in the world hold up to consumer imagination? Apple promises that the newest iPhone is a "new superpower". Am I supposed to believe that? Does anyone believe that? It never fails to crack me up that the folks most upset about Tesla's self-driving promise tend to not be customers and vow that they never will be. What in the world is so upsetting about a company over promising and under delivering? Are these people just constantly boiling with rage? Have they never experienced being a consumer before?
- clouddrover 4y ago
  You were scammed for $3,000 and you like it? I think you need to cultivate some self respect. These days Tesla wants to con people out of $15,000: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/even-tesla-fans-think-fsds-price-hike-to-15000-is-too-much https://www.thedrive.com/tech/even-tesla-fans-think-fsds-pri... Why should anyone "consume" this "product" when it simply doesn't work as claimed and doesn't meet any of Tesla's self declared deadlines?
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    If I had been "scammed" out of $3k for "FSD", I'd be perfectly happy right now too. The existing highway features are worth about $3k to me. I wouldn't pay $6k for EAP or $15k for "FSD" though.
  - erulabs 4y ago
    I don’t like it - I regret the purchase. Don’t you ever buy things you’re excited about only to find out it’s not what you hoped? I’m just not furious is all - and not nearly as furious as folks who… didn’t buy the product. Me being disappointed in a cool toy is hardly a problem worth discussing.
_ea1k 4y ago
I feel like there is some ambiguity here. Tesla only allowed a limited number to use it and there are some signs that they weren't serious about it. They may have taken advantage of a loophole to gain more than they credibly should.

erulabs 4y ago

Or, they take both positions simultaneously: The beta was rolled out recklessly but also they haven't delivered what they promised. Turns out self-driving is harder than people thought - and a few upper middle class folks like myself dropped 3k on something that isn't that useful. This occurs... millions of times a day with all sorts of products. What an absolute tragedy? I'm actually glad they they've decided to slow down iteration on the self-driving stack - in the early days the self-driving would change behavior from patch to patch - it was extremely difficult to get an idea of what it would be thinking. It's obviously not the product that we all wished it was - but... does any product in the world hold up to consumer imagination? Apple promises that the newest iPhone is a "new superpower". Am I supposed to believe that? Does anyone believe that? It never fails to crack me up that the folks most upset about Tesla's self-driving promise tend to not be customers and vow that they never will be. What in the world is so upsetting about a company over promising and under delivering? Are these people just constantly boiling with rage? Have they never experienced being a consumer before?

clouddrover 4y ago
You were scammed for $3,000 and you like it? I think you need to cultivate some self respect. These days Tesla wants to con people out of $15,000: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/even-tesla-fans-think-fsds-price-hike-to-15000-is-too-much https://www.thedrive.com/tech/even-tesla-fans-think-fsds-pri... Why should anyone "consume" this "product" when it simply doesn't work as claimed and doesn't meet any of Tesla's self declared deadlines?
- _ea1k 4y ago
  If I had been "scammed" out of $3k for "FSD", I'd be perfectly happy right now too. The existing highway features are worth about $3k to me. I wouldn't pay $6k for EAP or $15k for "FSD" though.
- erulabs 4y ago
  I don’t like it - I regret the purchase. Don’t you ever buy things you’re excited about only to find out it’s not what you hoped? I’m just not furious is all - and not nearly as furious as folks who… didn’t buy the product. Me being disappointed in a cool toy is hardly a problem worth discussing.

_ea1k 4y ago

I feel like there is some ambiguity here. Tesla only allowed a limited number to use it and there are some signs that they weren't serious about it. They may have taken advantage of a loophole to gain more than they credibly should.