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Unfortunately, it's quite expected. I don't want to get into the debate about whether any of it is true or not, but I believe most agree that lot of the current

by 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago

Unfortunately, it's quite expected. I don't want to get into the debate about whether any of it is true or not, but I believe most agree that lot of the current online narrative either demonizes men or claims that fake sexual harrasment claims are commonplace. It's not hard to see why being bombarded with such messaging on social media would lead to some people responding to it.

42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
Do you disagree? There is no "innocent until proven guilty" with sexual harassment claims-- it's mostly "off with their head!" and no ability to defend oneself or present or argue evidence. You're tainted for life, regardless of the truth of some situation. Why shouldn't sexual harassment claims be feared?
- Balgair 4y ago
  Nit: In the UK the burden of proof is on the defendant by default. Innocent until proven guilty is a US thing.
petercooper 4y ago
I don't think I'd even point the finger at online narratives. I think the behavior we see in day to day life has a bigger effect on how we also behave in public. But maybe I'm being optimistic!
- gsibble 4y ago
  As I just said, I've been a party to and witnessed over a dozen entirely fake sexual harassment claims (those are just the ones where I was there when said harassment was said to have occurred when it didn't). I've actually seen more fake claims than real ones in my life (sorry). So I wouldn't point the finger at online narratives either.
gsibble 4y ago
I've been accused of fake sexual harassment. So have most of my friends. I actually think the internet underestimates how frequently it happens.
- claudiawerner 4y ago
  I'm interested in whether the available statistics from law enforcement underestimate how frequently it happens - and how one could possibly find out.
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- panarky 4y ago
  I have never been accused of sexual harassment, and none of my friends or family have been either. It seems statistically unlikely that you and most of your friend group have all been accused of sexual harassment if your behavior was unimpeachable.
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  - hnfong 4y ago
    You seem to be proving the GP's point.

42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago

Do you disagree? There is no "innocent until proven guilty" with sexual harassment claims-- it's mostly "off with their head!" and no ability to defend oneself or present or argue evidence. You're tainted for life, regardless of the truth of some situation. Why shouldn't sexual harassment claims be feared?

Balgair 4y ago
Nit: In the UK the burden of proof is on the defendant by default. Innocent until proven guilty is a US thing.

petercooper 4y ago

I don't think I'd even point the finger at online narratives. I think the behavior we see in day to day life has a bigger effect on how we also behave in public. But maybe I'm being optimistic!

gsibble 4y ago
As I just said, I've been a party to and witnessed over a dozen entirely fake sexual harassment claims (those are just the ones where I was there when said harassment was said to have occurred when it didn't). I've actually seen more fake claims than real ones in my life (sorry). So I wouldn't point the finger at online narratives either.

gsibble 4y ago

I've been accused of fake sexual harassment. So have most of my friends. I actually think the internet underestimates how frequently it happens.

claudiawerner 4y ago
I'm interested in whether the available statistics from law enforcement underestimate how frequently it happens - and how one could possibly find out.
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panarky 4y ago
I have never been accused of sexual harassment, and none of my friends or family have been either. It seems statistically unlikely that you and most of your friend group have all been accused of sexual harassment if your behavior was unimpeachable.
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- hnfong 4y ago
  You seem to be proving the GP's point.