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Maybe it not an easy problem?

by mciancia 4y ago

te_chris 4y ago
It must be, he’s been selling Full Self Driving for years.
- solardev 4y ago
  To be fair, it has been Full Self Driving for years. Here's the car. Drive it yourself.
  - rvz 4y ago
    Yes, you have to still pay attention to the road and drive the car, since the car is still unable to drive itself reliably without a human, which that was supposedly the Level 5 Full Self Driving (FSD) promise of 2020 with the 1 Million robo-taxis still missing. The product has been 'Fools Self Driving' demoware for years.
    - thunky 4y ago
      You missed the joke.
      - rvz 4y ago
        ? My comment already agreed with it, and it plays right in to the entire point of you having to still pay attention and drive the car yourself. Hence why I said it is 'Fools Self Driving' Is this you as well? [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32559771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32559771
        thunky 4y ago
        No offense intended. I thought you were saying FSD meant that the car was supposed to drive itself, it just doesn't work very well (yet?). Where the joke was saying that FSD always meant that the human is the "self" and therefore FSD already works as intended. Yes [0] was me as well. Apparently the poster was not being sarcastic.
_ea1k 4y ago
I once drove a Tesla on a road that was asphalt covered over what appeared to earlier be a concrete road. The concrete was visible through cracks in the top asphalt surface in straight lines. To a camera, they sort of looked like lane lines, but they were right down the middle of the lanes! I was manually driving, but the car was constantly freaking out because it thought I was running off the road. :lol Yes, it can be a hard problem. OTOH, my car is running regular AP and will not engage when no lane lines are available. Nevertheless, I've managed to trick it into engaging in a few cases by engaging while the lines are there and keeping it on when they disappear. It does this close to flawlessly in my neighborhood, which is actually pretty surprising.
- itsoktocry 4y ago
  >I was manually driving, but the car was constantly freaking out because it thought I was running off the road. :lol Yes, it can be a hard problem. If cracks in asphalt fooling the car's AI is a "hard problem", than full self-driving is doomed.
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    That's a really weird take, tbh. That particular case was one that _should_ have been easy, but wasn't. But I've also been on roads where the humans were confused because construction had messed up the lines so much. TBH, getting a computer to navigate a parking lot is one of the hardest self-driving problems. That doesn't make them all doomed.
dragontamer 4y ago
Maybe Tesla shouldn't be claiming it was solved in 2016, if it wasn't an easy problem. The deadline for "Coast to Coast Full Self Driving" is over 5 years old now. https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-coast-test-drive-of-fully-self-driving-tesla-by-late-2017/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-co...

Maybe it not an easy problem?

te_chris 4y ago

It must be, he’s been selling Full Self Driving for years.

solardev 4y ago
To be fair, it has been Full Self Driving for years. Here's the car. Drive it yourself.
- rvz 4y ago
  Yes, you have to still pay attention to the road and drive the car, since the car is still unable to drive itself reliably without a human, which that was supposedly the Level 5 Full Self Driving (FSD) promise of 2020 with the 1 Million robo-taxis still missing. The product has been 'Fools Self Driving' demoware for years.
  - thunky 4y ago
    You missed the joke.
    - rvz 4y ago
      ? My comment already agreed with it, and it plays right in to the entire point of you having to still pay attention and drive the car yourself. Hence why I said it is 'Fools Self Driving' Is this you as well? [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32559771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32559771
      - thunky 4y ago
        No offense intended. I thought you were saying FSD meant that the car was supposed to drive itself, it just doesn't work very well (yet?). Where the joke was saying that FSD always meant that the human is the "self" and therefore FSD already works as intended. Yes [0] was me as well. Apparently the poster was not being sarcastic.

_ea1k 4y ago

I once drove a Tesla on a road that was asphalt covered over what appeared to earlier be a concrete road. The concrete was visible through cracks in the top asphalt surface in straight lines. To a camera, they sort of looked like lane lines, but they were right down the middle of the lanes! I was manually driving, but the car was constantly freaking out because it thought I was running off the road. :lol Yes, it can be a hard problem. OTOH, my car is running regular AP and will not engage when no lane lines are available. Nevertheless, I've managed to trick it into engaging in a few cases by engaging while the lines are there and keeping it on when they disappear. It does this close to flawlessly in my neighborhood, which is actually pretty surprising.

itsoktocry 4y ago
>I was manually driving, but the car was constantly freaking out because it thought I was running off the road. :lol Yes, it can be a hard problem. If cracks in asphalt fooling the car's AI is a "hard problem", than full self-driving is doomed.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  That's a really weird take, tbh. That particular case was one that _should_ have been easy, but wasn't. But I've also been on roads where the humans were confused because construction had messed up the lines so much. TBH, getting a computer to navigate a parking lot is one of the hardest self-driving problems. That doesn't make them all doomed.

dragontamer 4y ago

Maybe Tesla shouldn't be claiming it was solved in 2016, if it wasn't an easy problem. The deadline for "Coast to Coast Full Self Driving" is over 5 years old now. https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-coast-test-drive-of-fully-self-driving-tesla-by-late-2017/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-co...