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Early days on this one: "researchers asked 54 people online to explain, with no word limit, why women might be less likely to get CPR when they collapse in publ

Early days on this one: "researchers asked 54 people online to explain, with no word limit, why women might be less likely to get CPR when they collapse in public" .. though at least they did use VR to attempt to measure behavior, but concluded: "a study with more participants is needed to statistically identify any significant gender gaps" It doesn't seem surprising though. We've had stories in the UK where young children have wandered the streets for hours with no members of the public wanting to get involved because of the attitudes around stranger danger.

2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
Unfortunately, it's quite expected. I don't want to get into the debate about whether any of it is true or not, but I believe most agree that lot of the current online narrative either demonizes men or claims that fake sexual harrasment claims are commonplace. It's not hard to see why being bombarded with such messaging on social media would lead to some people responding to it.
- 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
  Do you disagree? There is no "innocent until proven guilty" with sexual harassment claims-- it's mostly "off with their head!" and no ability to defend oneself or present or argue evidence. You're tainted for life, regardless of the truth of some situation. Why shouldn't sexual harassment claims be feared?
  - Balgair 4y ago
    Nit: In the UK the burden of proof is on the defendant by default. Innocent until proven guilty is a US thing.
- petercooper 4y ago
  I don't think I'd even point the finger at online narratives. I think the behavior we see in day to day life has a bigger effect on how we also behave in public. But maybe I'm being optimistic!
  - gsibble 4y ago
    As I just said, I've been a party to and witnessed over a dozen entirely fake sexual harassment claims (those are just the ones where I was there when said harassment was said to have occurred when it didn't). I've actually seen more fake claims than real ones in my life (sorry). So I wouldn't point the finger at online narratives either.
- gsibble 4y ago
  I've been accused of fake sexual harassment. So have most of my friends. I actually think the internet underestimates how frequently it happens.
  - claudiawerner 4y ago
    I'm interested in whether the available statistics from law enforcement underestimate how frequently it happens - and how one could possibly find out.
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  - panarky 4y ago
    I have never been accused of sexual harassment, and none of my friends or family have been either. It seems statistically unlikely that you and most of your friend group have all been accused of sexual harassment if your behavior was unimpeachable.
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    - hnfong 4y ago
      You seem to be proving the GP's point.
dtx1 4y ago
> It doesn't seem surprising though. We've had stories in the UK where young children have wandered the streets for hours with no members of the public wanting to get involved because of the attitudes around stranger danger. Who would have thought that publicly considering every male to be a (potential) sexual predator would have negative consequences? In any case if you are male and ever in a situation where you consider helping someone but don't because you might be considered a perv or a creep, look for another, preferably female adult and involve them in the effort of helping.
- petercooper 4y ago
  In any case if you are male and ever in a situation where you consider helping someone but don't because you might be considered a perv or a creep, look for another, preferably female adult and involve them in the effort of helping. I would hope if the situation were grave enough, the instinct to help would just kick in regardless. Like if a kid were hit by a car, most people will want to help if they can. It's the less grave 'grey area' situations where I think people hesitate (which could well include someone in cardiac arrest or maybe having a fit) and teaming up with other strangers seems like a reasonable compromise.
  - dtx1 4y ago
    I was thinking about the little girl lost on the street crying. I've been screamed at for walking the same path as a woman and her child mostly because I was male. Always better to have a preferably female Witness with me.
    - blitzar 4y ago
      What incentive is there to help at all given the univeral perception of society is that a male who renders assistance they must be, at best a pervert or more likely a 'pedo guy'. "Teach your child to go to a woman if they are lost. Why? First, if your child selects a woman, it's highly unlikely that the woman will be a sexual predator."
      - 4y ago
MomoXenosaga 4y ago
Also why men can't work at daycare centres. It is sad one pedo can spoil it for every male.
- petercooper 4y ago
  Here in the UK it's not unheard of, and especially in elementary education there has been a bit of a push to have more male teachers (all my kids have had at least one). The only flat-out ban I've personally experienced is all my kids are dancers and men are forbidden from being backstage chaperones at the shows. Luckily, I don't want to be one.. :-D
  - panarky 4y ago
    My kids' daycare lets moms and dads volunteer, but only moms help kids in the bathroom. Not because they think the dads are abusers, but because it's far less likely that the moms are abusers. Seems like a strong policy backed by evidence, and both moms and dads support it.
    - petercooper 4y ago
      What I'd call an actuarial approach. It's tricky, though, because it can be interpreted as discrimination. For example, here in the UK young women used to get cheaper car insurance than young men, but this was outlawed – https://www.choose.co.uk/news/women-car-insurance-costs-to-soar.html https://www.choose.co.uk/news/women-car-insurance-costs-to-s... (and in an amazing display of transparency, the head of a major insurer said: "As an insurer, I'm pleased. We will raise rates for young women: we won't bring them down much for young men. That means more profit").

2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago

Unfortunately, it's quite expected. I don't want to get into the debate about whether any of it is true or not, but I believe most agree that lot of the current online narrative either demonizes men or claims that fake sexual harrasment claims are commonplace. It's not hard to see why being bombarded with such messaging on social media would lead to some people responding to it.

42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
Do you disagree? There is no "innocent until proven guilty" with sexual harassment claims-- it's mostly "off with their head!" and no ability to defend oneself or present or argue evidence. You're tainted for life, regardless of the truth of some situation. Why shouldn't sexual harassment claims be feared?
- Balgair 4y ago
  Nit: In the UK the burden of proof is on the defendant by default. Innocent until proven guilty is a US thing.
petercooper 4y ago
I don't think I'd even point the finger at online narratives. I think the behavior we see in day to day life has a bigger effect on how we also behave in public. But maybe I'm being optimistic!
- gsibble 4y ago
  As I just said, I've been a party to and witnessed over a dozen entirely fake sexual harassment claims (those are just the ones where I was there when said harassment was said to have occurred when it didn't). I've actually seen more fake claims than real ones in my life (sorry). So I wouldn't point the finger at online narratives either.
gsibble 4y ago
I've been accused of fake sexual harassment. So have most of my friends. I actually think the internet underestimates how frequently it happens.
- claudiawerner 4y ago
  I'm interested in whether the available statistics from law enforcement underestimate how frequently it happens - and how one could possibly find out.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- panarky 4y ago
  I have never been accused of sexual harassment, and none of my friends or family have been either. It seems statistically unlikely that you and most of your friend group have all been accused of sexual harassment if your behavior was unimpeachable.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - hnfong 4y ago
    You seem to be proving the GP's point.

dtx1 4y ago

> It doesn't seem surprising though. We've had stories in the UK where young children have wandered the streets for hours with no members of the public wanting to get involved because of the attitudes around stranger danger. Who would have thought that publicly considering every male to be a (potential) sexual predator would have negative consequences? In any case if you are male and ever in a situation where you consider helping someone but don't because you might be considered a perv or a creep, look for another, preferably female adult and involve them in the effort of helping.

petercooper 4y ago
In any case if you are male and ever in a situation where you consider helping someone but don't because you might be considered a perv or a creep, look for another, preferably female adult and involve them in the effort of helping. I would hope if the situation were grave enough, the instinct to help would just kick in regardless. Like if a kid were hit by a car, most people will want to help if they can. It's the less grave 'grey area' situations where I think people hesitate (which could well include someone in cardiac arrest or maybe having a fit) and teaming up with other strangers seems like a reasonable compromise.
- dtx1 4y ago
  I was thinking about the little girl lost on the street crying. I've been screamed at for walking the same path as a woman and her child mostly because I was male. Always better to have a preferably female Witness with me.
  - blitzar 4y ago
    What incentive is there to help at all given the univeral perception of society is that a male who renders assistance they must be, at best a pervert or more likely a 'pedo guy'. "Teach your child to go to a woman if they are lost. Why? First, if your child selects a woman, it's highly unlikely that the woman will be a sexual predator."
    - 4y ago

MomoXenosaga 4y ago

Also why men can't work at daycare centres. It is sad one pedo can spoil it for every male.

petercooper 4y ago
Here in the UK it's not unheard of, and especially in elementary education there has been a bit of a push to have more male teachers (all my kids have had at least one). The only flat-out ban I've personally experienced is all my kids are dancers and men are forbidden from being backstage chaperones at the shows. Luckily, I don't want to be one.. :-D
- panarky 4y ago
  My kids' daycare lets moms and dads volunteer, but only moms help kids in the bathroom. Not because they think the dads are abusers, but because it's far less likely that the moms are abusers. Seems like a strong policy backed by evidence, and both moms and dads support it.
  - petercooper 4y ago
    What I'd call an actuarial approach. It's tricky, though, because it can be interpreted as discrimination. For example, here in the UK young women used to get cheaper car insurance than young men, but this was outlawed – https://www.choose.co.uk/news/women-car-insurance-costs-to-soar.html https://www.choose.co.uk/news/women-car-insurance-costs-to-s... (and in an amazing display of transparency, the head of a major insurer said: "As an insurer, I'm pleased. We will raise rates for young women: we won't bring them down much for young men. That means more profit").